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Meanwhile in the Midlands residents are thrilled by their new 4 buses a day service.
Jim | 19.05.23 - 7:08 a.m. | #
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Given weekday passenger numbers on the tube, especially in the peaks, are still markedly down on the pre-covid situation, I'm surprised TfL haven't thinned out all tube lines to save some money
kerspatula | 19.05.23 - 7:09 a.m. | #
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What's wrong with the missing trains? Too unreliable so safer to just keep out of service until they can afford to fix them?
martin | 19.05.23 - 7:26 a.m. | #
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Is it refurbishment time for the Jubilee Line stock, or has the Elizabeth Line reduced demand for travel to Canary Wharf.
Still Anon | 19.05.23 - 7:35 a.m. | #
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The post-pandemic drop in use of public transport is remarkable. Monthly London bus journeys down from around 180 million to around 140 million. Down over 20%. Monthly tube journeys down from around 110 million to around 85 million. Down over 20%.
This reflects around 25% of working time being spent at home now.
The German response is a €49 monthly rail ticket for the next couple of years to build up numbers.
Andrew | 19.05.23 - 7:48 a.m. | #
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The Jubilee line has been running with Minor Delays most peaks for months now due to a shortage of trains. I believe it is something to do with damage that need to be resolved but it isn't a quick fix etc. I am guessing this is trying to make the timetable more resilient than it has been.
Chris | 19.05.23 - 8:01 a.m. | #
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W1A at TfL. Future episodes might include. Planned station closures - Chauncey Lane, Lancaster Gate, Tufnell Park. Lift breakdowns and unavailability due to a a lack of trained staff featuring Wimbledon Park.
Rod | 19.05.23 - 8:03 a.m. | #
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Echoing Jim, I guess readers outside London are gobsmacked that having to wait occasionally for up to 6 minutes for a train is grounds for complaint.
Bryn Davies | 19.05.23 - 8:26 a.m. | #
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Echoing Jim, I guess readers outside London are gobsmacked that having to wait occasionally for up to 6 minutes for a train is grounds for complaint.
Bryn Davies | 19.05.23 - 8:26 a.m. | #
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Some wonderful job titles at TFL. Well done for unearthing them. I understand that a vacancy remains unfilled at Head of Programmed Uncertainty.
Perhaps you should apply.
Petras409 | 19.05.23 - 8:28 a.m. | #
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Thanks for the explanation! Shame you had to do it on TfL's behalf, they ought to have 'fessed up.
Lucy Garden | 19.05.23 - 9:12 a.m. | #
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Rod - the original 2012 series nailed it with the transport planner. So many of the older TfL planners were just like that.
David | 19.05.23 - 9:20 a.m. | #
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The problem with train cancellations has been going on for some time due to, apparently, lack of spare parts and resulting in some longish gaps in the service. Certainly many times in recent months I've seen several "half trains" parked up as I passed Stratford train depot. '
I had heard that a new temporary timetable had been proposed but assumed it would ensure the gaps were better spaced rather than, as your post states, simply removing certain trains from the already existing timetable!
Tim | 19.05.23 - 9:31 a.m. | #
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I thought LU didn't have timetables because trains were so frequent as not to need them.
Adrian | 19.05.23 - 9:36 a.m. | #
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Adrian - as far as the public are concerned, they don't. But it would be sheer chaos if they didn't have them behind the scenes.
martin | 19.05.23 - 9:46 a.m. | #
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Automatic train control was introduced in 2011, and started to cause underframe failures due to very coarse control of the power being alternately fully applied and cut to maintain a target speed. Hence a number of trains are unavailable at any one time as they are being repaired.
Keith | 19.05.23 - 10:12 a.m. | #
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I love how old fashioned looking London Underground's internal timetables are. The typeface and layout looks unchanged for decades
Mikey C | 19.05.23 - 10:27 a.m. | #
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Are passenger numbers on the tube really much lower than pre-pandemic? I was in London on Wednesday and caught a rush-hour 113 bus out to Mill Hill. It was packed all the way to Brent Cross, just like the old days.
Ian | 19.05.23 - 12:05 p.m. | #
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Ian - The buses on the corridor that the 113 uses have been very significantly cut over last 5 years in phases. And yes the Jubilee to/from St. John's Wood in peak and of peak periods periods isn't quite as rammed as it used to be.
I wonder if this change to the Jubilee is a soft launch for other lines, and I seem to recall that some other lines are a little thinner already due to life extension/refurb/repair works, all part of managed decline.
MilesT | 19.05.23 - 12:27 p.m. | #
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Come down and have a look at the Greenwich line! You can be in Zone 2 and still have a 30 minute gap between services (or worse if there are delays and cancellations).
methers | 19.05.23 - 1:01 p.m. | #
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Ian: The monthly TfL journey stats are here. Some more fine-grained but less up to date stats here.
The largest reductions in journeys appear to be peak times on Mondays and Fridays, as most people capable of hybrid working are in the office on Tuesdays to Thursdays. But the peak in midweek can still be quite busy.
Lots of stats on "working from home" at this IFS event yesterday. Mostly US data, but the overall pattern is similar in many other countries.
This change may be due to reliability, but a 20% or so reduction in journeys must eventually have an impact on the network as a whole.
Andrew | 19.05.23 - 1:43 p.m. | #
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Having to wait an extra three minutes for a train.
How my heart bleeds.
Ronke Chalmers | 19.05.23 - 2:03 p.m. | #
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If what Keith says is true then making trains automatic (either through ATO or CBTC) does impose some unpredicted risk / cost which may bite back some time in the future.
Patrickov | 19.05.23 - 2:34 p.m. | #
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Whilst I suppose the non-Londoners in the comments are being perplexed by all the commotion about an extra 3 minute wait, cutting services without then properly adjusting the overall frequency can lead to some crowd control and other issues which create a knock-on effect (similar to when buses bunch due to uneven frequencies).
matthieu1221 | 19.05.23 - 3:37 p.m. | #
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It's not the longer wait between trains which is the problem, but just how crowded it will make them.
I will frequently let a Jubilee Line train pass at central London stations as it's too crowded to board, expecting the next one a couple of minutes later to be less so, but it's usually not the case!
Cornish Cockney | 19.05.23 - 4:36 p.m. | #
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Even one less train at the wrong time is bad news -- it obviously equals two train loads of passengers trying to fit onto the one train that turns up.
I know that's not hard to understand but it's fun to pretend that you don't, isn't it?
MM | 19.05.23 - 4:37 p.m. | #
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Miles T and Andrew - thanks for your input. I confess to having no idea of the interval between 113s, as I arrived at the Baker Street stop at the same time as a 139/13/113 convoy, and secured one of the 2 remaining seats on the 113 (which had only come a few stops from its terminus).
Ian | 19.05.23 - 8:23 p.m. | #
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On another social media platform, one of the team that writes the timetables has rolled their eyes at one of your comments.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 19.05.23 - 10:31 p.m. | #
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I’d love to see the actual press release
Jon Allen | 20.05.23 - 3:51 a.m. | #
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Looking at the data Andrew linked.
In March '23 there were 85m Underground Journeys, this is more than the number of journeys in May '10.
When I was working in London in 2010 I don't remember thinking the Underground is so empty it needs a cut in frequency. All Covid has done in London is take a very crowded tube service and made it slightly less crowded at points.
Jon | 20.05.23 - 11:38 a.m. | #
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Cant wait for the commentary on my Central line version starting on 5 June 😁
Big Mike | 20.05.23 - 9:25 p.m. | #
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Rod, they can’t do a W1A at TfL HQ as those that bark out orders are sat working from home and when they have to come in to the office for an extra day, they whinge about and that the free non dairy milk is being used too much.
Tubeperson | 21.05.23 - 4:37 p.m. | #
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Six trains cut, Big Mike?
Thank goodness the media will never notice...
diamond geezer | Homepage | 22.05.23 - 7:14 p.m. | #
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This has been a total nightmare. e.g. travelling back from work involves the Jub from Green Park to Kingsbury. Green Park yesterday (Friday) evening. Northbound platform at Green Park rammed at around 18:20. Two trains in fairly quick succession shortly after I arrived there. Got second one. Problem was it terminates at Wembley Park - the fourth one was a Stanmore one but was 14 mins behind. So decided to get on the second one and got off at Finchley Rd to wait my 14 mins there instead. Got out at Finchley Road and decided it might be better to jump on a Met Line to Wembley Park and wait the 14 mins there instead (as the Stanmore Jub would be rammed and my chances of getting on it at Wembley Park prob better after the West Hamsptead crowd have piled off). So got to Wembley Park by Met Line (which itself was standing room only) and joined what felt like a million people waiting for a Stanmore train. Next train terminates here so another million people join the platform. Stanmore train arrives and it fills up - so I wait for the next one, which arrives shortly thereafter and I finally make it one more stop to Kingsbury, where upon arrival the previous trainload were still queuing up to get out of the station. Left Vauxhall at 18:10, got to Kingsbury at 19:20. Not good. It sounds like a minor change, but the impact is far much more worse than it sounds.
Jag | 03.06.23 - 3:06 p.m. | #
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