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Can a badly stuck sticker give both QQ and dd? One or the other surely?
dg writes: Yes, it can do both, because it's fractionally too small. Sorry I don't have a photo.
| 05.02.15 - 7:06 a.m. | #
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To add to the confusion, the mini tube maps inside Central line carriages show interchange at Tottenham Court Road, and no interchange at Bond Street - doubly wrong.
diamond geezer | 05.02.15 - 8:06 a.m. | #
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In a past life I used to be responsible for ordering changes to line diagrams and audio / visual messages. Keeping track of the schemes and their timing was a bit of a nightmare and then you had the issue of ordering changes in sufficient time that they could be procured / recorded in time and then deployed on the trains at the right time - not too much in advance and not dragging on too long past the change date. When you're dealing with multiple depots, hundreds of cars and thousands of stickers and recording artists for the announcements who may be unavailable it's easy for things to get out of step. That's just to say it can be rather more involved than might appear to be the case.
While I can see why DG is complaining about the Central Line the text of the Bond St stickers has been done so there is a date cut off. Both dates at Bond St are in the past now and I suspect that was entirely deliberate as it allows the stickers to remain in place beyond the works completion date.
PC | 05.02.15 - 8:35 a.m. | #
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I think my favourite sentence has to be "I thought I'd go off and check the sticker situation on the other ten Underground lines." Only DG would do this, answering the questions that no one has thought to ask, and it's why we keep coming back every day.
I see lots of people being confused by the dual line diagrams on the S7 stock. It's a shame there's no digital display which updates automatically based on the line the train is on.
James Armitage | Homepage | 05.02.15 - 8:44 a.m. | #
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@James Armitage:
How much do you want your fares to go up next year?
JQ | 05.02.15 - 9:27 a.m. | #
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The variety of diagrams on the S stock may reflect the fact that they have been progressively entering service over several years, and the diagrams probably reflect the state of play when the unit in question entered service. Interesting that the variety only plagues the S7 stock, as you note that the Metropolitan Line (using the older S8 stock) is a sticker-free zone.
timbo | 05.02.15 - 10:21 a.m. | #
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I can understand the complexity of this as described by PC. However attention to detail is a good way of detecting that a company is really switched on as homogeneous organisation and gets the little details correct. This is one place were all to often organisations fail.
I don't think the "date cut off" argument is at all acceptable in this case. It might be if the Jubilee was shown, even faintly. One is not going to look to interchange at a station that is not marked with another line.
This sort of thing is nothing new. BR Southern Region once introduced new services but no-one ordered the necessary flaps for the information boards at Waterloo in time leading to weeks of chaos. For a long time notices at Bank (DLR) platform advised people for City Airport to take the next train to King George V which would mean a long wait as all the trains by then went to Woolwich Arsenal.
What really gets me is why this isn't picked up an quickly corrected. Do Line Managers etc. not notice? Or not care about such details? Or not have the authority and ability to sort it out?
Surely sorting this out can't be hard nowadays to print and laminate them overnight using in-house equipment tube carriage diagrams and then pay someone to change them. There may be lots of carriages to do but I sure someone would do it for the overtime. It looks more professional and to the public it does matter.
Pedantic of Purley | 05.02.15 - 10:29 a.m. | #
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> "attention to detail"
> "all to often"
> "picked up an quickly corrected"
> "Pedantic"
The irony.
Simon | 05.02.15 - 11:08 a.m. | #
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@JQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Q0FZUKHkY
from 1:20
PSG | 05.02.15 - 12:52 p.m. | #
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Hate disagreeing with DG
The Northern is not free
Of stickers, they have a few
Was on it Sunday - that's how I knew
Five in total was wot I saw
But some had less, others maybe more
Tiny bulges too where old'uns had been
And worse on the District I'd seen
Victoria sub-surface needs a sign
From Cir/Dis to the Vic Line
Access is barred for a while to come
And that is about my lot, my son
Joel | Homepage | 05.02.15 - 1:00 p.m. | #
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Why is Royal Oak station closing?
Jake | 05.02.15 - 1:00 p.m. | #
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In which case, Joel, you got into a Northern line carriage with several stickers and I got into a Northern line carriage with no stickers. Maybe another inconsistency, or maybe the danger of single sampling.
diamond geezer | 05.02.15 - 1:17 p.m. | #
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"I thought I'd go off and check the sticker situation on the other ten Underground lines."
Where would one start and what is the smallest area one would have to cover to do this?
DG? others?
dg writes: Ssssh, tomorrow :)
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Sssssh, tomorrow :)
diamond geezer | 05.02.15 - 3:15 p.m. | #
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Royak Oak because of Crossrail. It's right where the Paddington portal is, haven't you seen it? :)
geofftech | Homepage | 05.02.15 - 5:01 p.m. | #
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......and now we know why DG found more sticker variety on the S stock than on other types - you're not going to find much variety in a sample size of one!
(Although I have been on a Piccadilly Line train with different editions of the strip map on opposite sides of the same car)
timbo | 06.02.15 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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I've seen plenty of District Line trains in the last few weeks still carrying the can't change at Embankment sticker.
Also on the S Stock you can see trains with Embankment stickers on the District diagram but not on the Met/H&C/Circle one next to it. ( It may be the other way round - but you get the idea ! )
Personally I prefer the Paris Metro stickers - they cover problem stations with a pale blue sticker over the white line diagram - making it clear in an instant from a distance that you should check what's happening at the affected station.
ap | 06.02.15 - 10:57 a.m. | #
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Wasn't the Turnham Green area stickered after some diagrams were produced with Chiswick Park located east of the junction - i.e. supposedly served by Richmond trains?
Kim | 06.02.15 - 11:41 a.m. | #
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I found both types of sticker in the same Central Line car this evening. The base line diagrams over the doors are slightly different to those over the windows - if you look at the blue "may affect your journey" patch in DG's pictures you'll see one of them is further to the right (extending to Lancaster Gate) than the other, (which only extends to NHG). (Why?)
The two types of Bond Street sticker are designed to fit next to them, and the TCR sticker is superimposed on one but next to the other.
timbo | 06.02.15 - 11:22 p.m. | #
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I wonder how London Underground plans to show Night Tube services? I know there's an all-lines map but will the individual line maps also show which stations will go 24 hours from September?
| 07.02.15 - 1:25 p.m. | #
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The District/Circle stock I used on Friday was missing a sticker with the longer opening times now in place at Cannon St now far more Southeastern trains leave from there during the London Bridge work.
I always thought the hard part wouldn't be commissioning the stickers, but getting them applied, with the stock scattered round the network
John B | 08.02.15 - 1:13 a.m. | #
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Spotted this towards the end of my commute yesterday morning, on the Central Line:
Someone is either annoyed with the repetition of the announcements or with the ongoing inconvenience...
Adam | Homepage | 10.02.15 - 7:28 a.m. | #
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