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Love the way zone 5 bleeds into 3 on that tube map. Least they fixed Morden and its presence in the special fare zone.
Wonder who 'we' might be.
Alfie | 03.06.16 - 1:59 a.m. | #
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They make a big thing of the trams being on the tube map but I would settle for all the current tram routes being on the tram map.
Despite extending route 4 to Wimbledon early last April and me pointing it out a couple of times the online tram map has still not been updated.
Oh, and have you notices how route 4 always has "good service" on Sundays despite not running at all?
Pedantic of Purley | 03.06.16 - 7:07 a.m. | #
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Morden Hall Park is lovely and really busy at weekends. Just how an urban park should be. Last visit was a few weeks ago and there was even traditional clog dancing going on - a bit like Morris dancing but not quite so enjoyable.
Pedantic of Purley | 03.06.16 - 7:10 a.m. | #
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Do I glimpse the irony flag fluttering in the breeze?
Sometimes it is so subtle I'm never quite sure, such is the genius of your writing!
Cornish Cockney | 03.06.16 - 7:38 a.m. | #
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'Special fares apply' is a bit odd: makes it sound like Heathrow Express or something.
-Bothered of Beckenham
Rupert | 03.06.16 - 7:40 a.m. | #
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Westminster council closed the toilets at Piccadilly Circus about 18 months ago. It seems that no TfL document is checked properly before going to print these days.
Sally | 03.06.16 - 7:42 a.m. | #
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Ahhh - but to it's credit, Line 4 is doing a very good job of not running Sundays, perhaps they even count that in the stats.
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Poised between the tram stops of Church Road and Reeves Corner stands Reeves Wood, a delightful, if miniature, arboretum situated on a traffic island.
The site, formerly occupied by Reeves furniture showroom, was subject to an amateur urban regeneration project* in the summer of 2011.
*(it was burnt to the ground during the Croydon riots)
RayL | 03.06.16 - 8:15 a.m. | #
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Amusing read.
It's Walter de la Mare, not Mere.
dg writes: Fixed, thanks.
David | 03.06.16 - 8:19 a.m. | #
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I went to that independent school for 13 years 1962 (aged just 5) to 1975 (aged almost 18) as a boarder. Its changed a bit since!
Graham | 03.06.16 - 8:23 a.m. | #
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A nice piece well capturing the breathlessness and vacuuousness of such articles. But DG being DG has not been able to stop himself from including some genuinely interesting tips.
To a mathematician, a good service on a non-running line makes perfect sense. As always, "good service" means no hold-ups or delays and no trips omitted from the timetable.
Malcolm | 03.06.16 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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The Mitcham link gives "Error establishing a database connection" in Chrome. Probably a fault outside the DG world!
Half a physicist | 03.06.16 - 8:28 a.m. | #
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@half a physicist - works for me in Chrome (Mac)!
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@BoB (7:40) - one wonders if, now TfL has all this lovely empty (advertising) space on the right hand side, some of it could be given over to explaining that these fares are neither all that special nor particularly complicated, given their similarity to bus fares.
Alfie | 03.06.16 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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One wonders how many people in real life will go to Beckenham via Croydon. Judging by Greenwich via Canary Wharf, I suspect the answer is not zero.
(And apologies to DG: "some genuinely interesting tips" above should read "quite a lot of genuinely interesting tips").
Malcolm | 03.06.16 - 9:16 a.m. | #
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Well done DG for showing the delights of the tram. I was involved in an accident exercise before it opened - that's before there were a couple of real life accidents when the tram hit cars - luckily going quite slowly in Croydon..
Cornish monkey | 03.06.16 - 10:00 a.m. | #
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Yay, my commute (well on wet days when I'd rather not cycle).
From the tram, Mitcham Common on a frosty winters morning is really rather wonderful. And sunlight filtering through mist over the Wandle also a delight. Although on a grey rainy day, maybe not so much.
Geo_rich | 03.06.16 - 10:42 a.m. | #
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There is still a Phipps Bridge, although it is nearly half a mile down Phipps Bridge Road from the tram stop.
http://www.mertonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/mitcham/Phipps+Bridge
[link]
timbo (1) | 03.06.16 - 11:02 a.m. | #
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All these new suburbs springing up on the map in the last decade recent years - first Hackney and Bushey in 2007, then Hoxton, Penge and Croydon in 2010: Peckham in 2012, Chingford and Romford last year, and now Mitcham and Beckenham.
How can there still be a housing crisis?
timbo (2) | 03.06.16 - 11:12 a.m. | #
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A bit daft of them to be included without converting the lines to lie within the standard zone areas.
Another Andrew | 03.06.16 - 11:27 a.m. | #
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@Malcolm
"Some genuinely interesting tips"
Aren't they call "recycling facilities" these days?
timbo (3) | 03.06.16 - 12:12 p.m. | #
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@ Sally: It seems that no TfL document is checked properly before going to print these days.
One wonders when TfL will realise that their warning 'Service and network charges may apply' at the bottom of the Tube Map is totally redundant - their 0343 number doesn't have any Service Charge !
Gerry | 03.06.16 - 12:18 p.m. | #
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It's so easy to get from Lewisham to Elmers End now. All you need to do is take the DLR to Canary Wharf, change to the Jubilee Line to Surrey Quays, then take the Overground to West Croydon and then there's a tram all the rest of the way! And it only takes 90 minutes - almost as quick as walking!
What a pity nobody 150 years ago thought of building a direct line which could make the journey in 15 minutes.
timbo (4) | 03.06.16 - 12:58 p.m. | #
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@Another Andrew
"A bit daft of them to be included without converting the lines to lie within the standard zone areas. "
I assume you mean the tram lines. They can't be zoned as, like buses, you only touch in - not out - so a flat fare has to apply.
timbo (5) | 03.06.16 - 1:22 p.m. | #
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Maybe timbo (4) should have studied the tube map a touch more closely. The change from Jubilee to Overground is made at Canada Water, I think.
Malcolm (3) | 03.06.16 - 3:29 p.m. | #
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With the increasing clutter (just wait until the Busy Lizzie is also shown), I'm surprised that printed Tube Maps haven't largely been replaced by touchscreens.
After inviting passengers to specify their destination, they would zoom in to the Tube Map or London's Rail & Tube Services as appropriate, display the best route and grey out everything else. This would also eliminate Timbo's Lewisham - Elmers End problem (valid: As Advertised, via Scenic Route only).
Bung in a few personalised ads and offers, and it could even finance itself.
BTW, if I morph into Gerry (2) then I'll know that comments are now being rationed !
Gerry | 03.06.16 - 4:05 p.m. | #
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@Malcolm (3)
My mistake - or you could cut out one change and go via Shadwell.
timbo(6) | 03.06.16 - 4:20 p.m. | #
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Thanks for that post,DG. I've lived in Beckenham for forty five years and never realised that it was so interesting. 😉.
By the way,why did I read that post with Peter Seller's voice in my head? - Balham,Gateway to the South! 😄
Jo W | 04.06.16 - 7:26 a.m. | #
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Since the integration of the fares and contactless, I consider the Tube map a mostly redundant piece of quaint decoration for platform walls and always refer to the more useful, if ugly, Tube and Rail map for actually planning a journey. Both should be scrapped and replaced with this magnificent revelation that actually makes south of the river understandable.
http://www.inat.fr/metro/london/
The map prints off really clearly at A3 and even gives numbers and graduated shades of orange to the London Overground routes.
It's certainly the best thing since Harry Beck and could really change people's perceptions and travel habits if more widely known.
NickW | 04.06.16 - 11:40 a.m. | #
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A more chic way to travel to Beckenham is via N3 bus to Bromley North using a New Routemaster.
Except whilst the decor is very nice the fare dodgers and drunks are not! If you do a feature in response to a previous one about New Routemasters only being in North London I will happily share my night shift of driving one with you!
Matt | 05.06.16 - 1:10 a.m. | #
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Pedantic of Purley and others:
What's this about Line 4 of the Tram?
The map to which you refer just shows three shades of green. It might be more useful if it used Line numbers consistently with other TfL informatoin.
"Special Fares Apply" to the Tram: really? When did that change? Last I knew, it was a Zone 3/4/5 overlap.
Notts Railman | 06.06.16 - 6:26 a.m. | #
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Three late postscripts:
1) I was doing jury service just before you wrote this. The case I sat on involved an incident that occurred in New Addington. The jury was under instruction not to look anything up on the internet (so I didn't). It was interesting to finally see what Central Parade does actually look like.
2) Have you ever covered the River Pool? I just came across it completely by chance while looking at GoogleMaps for a place in Catford. Its source, apparently, is at Shirley (not far from where you were for this). dg writes: Yes.
3) I passed through (W Wickham and) Shirley just recently. The library couldn't be more Art Deco, even having a 'sunray' pattern around the entrance.
RogerW | 30.06.16 - 2:34 p.m. | #
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