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At West Croydon, Overground trains now all arrive on Platorm 1, much less convenient than the previous Platform 4, meaning it takes 3 minutes to walk to the tram, rather than the 15 seconds it could be done in before using the rear entrance - it’s most irritating.
Thanks very much for this.

The slight thing that bugs me is West Hampstead. It seems that the idea behind these dotted lines is to link two differently named stations where a sensible/beneficial connection can be made by walking between them, and yet the West Hampstead Jubilee line station now doesn't have any name attached to it.

Is there potential for confusion there among those not in the know, or am I worrying unnecessarily?
Finchley Road and Frognal to Finchley Road is very useful for direct connections from the North London line to Metropolitan if heading North. Using West Hampstead to do this involves either heading South to Finchley Road and then heading back North or taking a slow Jubilee train to Wembley Park and changing there.

I have tried all 3 on consecutive weekends and found that the "long" walk from FR&F is a bit quicker than heading South from WH. However, it was peeing it down so the long walk was not the best option really. The Jubilee was obviously much slower.

Of course, timings all depend on connections, if you're lucky you can be straight on a train at WH, then nip over the bridge at FR to find a Met train arriving. I had to wait a couple of minutes at each.
New Cross/New Cross gate is a useful interchange between Overground services on the Forest Hill line and South Eastern services to Lewisham and beyond, but of course TfL like to pretend the latter don't exist.
Staff at both New Cross and New Cross Gate often send people to the other station if there is any problems on the line. They always tell passengers it is a five minute walk which makes me think they have never walked it themselves as it takes a lot longer for most people and even the now advertised 7 minutes is optimistic for many.
So they finally decided they could put (some) OSIs on the map, and yes the tube map becomes even more of a mess, this could simply be that TfL could no longer hold back reality, now that everyone has access to so much information, yes Camden Town and Camden Road are really close, and TfL now officially acknowledge that fact.

In an ideal world you could have a map that could impart information and look good on a wall, but the need to keep adding extra stuff has overwhelmed clarity, the wheelchair blob being the biggest offender, for example compare Bond Street and Oxford Circus, a nice clear circle at Oxford Circus, Bond Street is what? two stations?, are they connected?, there's a blue blob at Kingsbury - does this make it an interchange too?, next they'll add a new symbol for cross platform interchanges.
DG's final line "I wonder where Crossrail's dotted lines will go"

I imagine dotted lines coming from the Elizabeth line would be:
from Canary Wharf to Canary Wharf (DLR)
from Canary Wharf to Canary Wharf (LU)
from Forest Gate to Wanstead Park (already on the map)

That is all. What Out-of-station interchanges there would actually be, however...
Having learnt about the Finchley Road shuffle being a valid outerchange a couple of years ago, and being a Met line passenger, I've changed to using that.

I often have problems persuading people of the less well-known OSIs, and the Northwick Park - Kenton one would be a big help. I have met people going all the way to zone 1 to go to Harrow and Wealdstone.

Finchley Road - FR&F is a lot less useful. And the lack of Heron Quays-Canary Wharf will still mean I get questions along the lines of "the journey planner says this - why am I not changing at Canary Wharf but walking between two stations - will I have to pay twice?". At least the split of the two Canary Wharf stations means that they will be a bit less confused.

The London Travelwatch article talks of a new Rail and Tube map - hopefully it would have the Marylebone-Edgware Road change - convincing lay people of that one comes up quite a bit.
Crossrail will appear on station signage from Canary Wharf, West India, Poplar and possibly even Blackwall, but not Heron Quays (unlike the Jubilee line). Imagine that spider's web.
Hooray, the zone boundaries have been made paler and therefore less intrusive and distracting!

Unhooray, it's now almost impossible to tell zone 2/3 apart from zone 2.
If the Paddingtons should be separate stations, what about Euston (Underground) and Euston (Overground)?
Definitely weird to find things around Finchley Road on the online version twisted in an awkward manner. At first glance, it seems to me the tube curves have violated the 45° rule, while in fact they probably didn't.
Crossrail Canary Wharf to DLR West India Quay or Poplar?
Apart from Heathrow or tram related changes, how many dotted connections on the map necessitate the user to be charged for two separate journeys, without discount?

dg writes: None.
Holy crap that kink in the Jubilee/Met lines on the poster map is revolting.
Frognal is useful from the Met line if going East: I use West Hampstead for West London (meaning an up-and-over at Finchley Rd onto the Jubilee).
I've walked Kenton-Northwick Park and it is not as well signposted as it could be. I wonder if the other similar interchanges are well signposted.

dg writes: Apparently all these dotted lines are signposted. Apparently.
@Geofftech I *think* Overground still uses West Croydon platforms 3 & 4 on Sundays - I'm sure I saw posters up announcing this. And yes it is a pain - so much time and money spent putting the reversing siding in that will now get little use, whilst those wanting to travel onwards to Sutton have to take the long route across the tracks, complicated further by a wheelchair exit that sends people out of the station altogether.
@Tim R-P
The turnback siding is used by two Southern trains per hour, and yes, you're right, on Sundays by Overground.
@Man of Kent
I hadn't realised Southern were doing that - one would have thought those services would be better sent to platform 1 instead.

And just when did West Croydon get so busy again? I can remember when there were so few services to and from Selhurst/Norwood Junction that there was a half-hourly service from Sutton & beyond terminating & reversing on the through platform 3.
Why have they taken tube maps off platforms and replaced them with heritage information? One for D G or geofftech.
I've just noticed that they've put a dotted line between Lea Bridge Road and Stratford International - but even Google Maps says it takes 45 minutes to walk between them!

dg writes: It's between Stratford International and Stratford International, which takes one minute.
That makes a lot more sense, but on the version they've got online (Rail & Tube A4) the lines are between Lea Bridge and Stratford International. I wish I could paste the part of the map here to illustrate
Oh wait, I can see the differences in lines now - my bad! I didn't see where Lea was attached to Greater Anglia.

dg writes: It's highly ambiguous labelling, but it's not incorrect.










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