please empty your brain below
Did the drop in bus passengers coincide with the withdrawal of cash fares?, or perhaps the introduction of Uber?, extension of the Overground?
....unless you live south of the river, as the difference between National Rail and TfL fares has increased again. What are we paying extra for? Apparently, the privilege of seeing your train whizzing through your station without stopping because it is more important to keep time than to pick up passengers. Never happens on the Underground.
Truly a tale of two cities.
(And with my cynics hat on, the reason it didn't get mention, is because they deliberately didn't decide to mention it...)
Under 11s pay child rate fares on most National Rail services in London, but on some they can travel free."
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/travel-for-under-18s/travelling-with-children#on-this-page-2
It does happen on the Underground (try living at Preston Road) when thing go wrong, or trains get turned short so the ends of the line don't see any trains whizzing through or not. It's anyway not a simple matter; that non-stopping train might be so it can come back for people going the other way who've been waiting even longer than you.
- Geofftech
Not mentioned because it's not happening (and while the map will indeed look ugly nothing will be anomalous and it's a doddle to program).
ok! good to know. But in which case. West Ham to Bromleyy-by-Bow on the map is going to be a 'fun' design challenge for someone then, as I can't see how that would work using the current design rules for stations in both Zones.... interesting...
But anyway, the point remains... when the tube or the train has problems, they make changes to the service. Underground has more options for curtailing services short than National Rail does, so they're more likely to skip stations.
The TfL position about declining bus patronage (or slower growth than expected) has included :-
- increasing population
- increased development work
- more road works causing delay
- TfL's own schemes like Crossrail, Victoria tube stn and cycle superhighway schemes screwing the traffic.
There's no doubt that traffic problems force people off buses and on to other modes to try to keep journey times reasonable. Who wants to sit for 40 mins to get through Elephant and Castle or 25 minutes to crawl through New Oxford St. TfL's approach has been to introduce a vast number of temporary timetables often reducing frequencies marginally to give buses more time to travel along a route. Other routes have been curtailed short of their normal terminus - again to give more time for buses to cover the shortened route. A large number of extra buses have been added to other routes to try to maintain performance. The reality is that a lot of money is being spent to try to "stand still" in performance terms rather than spending money to deliver actual improvements.
Only in the last couple of months have glimmers of improvements, a lot to do with the advent of Crossrail, started to emerge. These include more frequent services, double decks in place of single deckers plus new routes or restructuring to create new links. Many of these are out to consultation at present. Some lower frequency routes in SW London are also planned to have their service levels doubled and Sunday services added.
to travel from a Zone 6 station to a Zone 1 station (e.g Epping to Oxford Circus) off peak costs £3.10) But if you start from Bexley or Purley (also Zone 6) it costs £5.20 - a 68% markup. That will become 71% in January.
And don't think that avoiding Zone 1 gets you off the hook - in fact it's even worse:
West Ruislip to Shepherds Bush (Zone 6 to Zone 2) off peak is £1.50. Purley to Shepherds Bush via Clapham Junction is £2.60 - a 73% markup, which will become 80% in January
"For completeness this change means Pudding Mill Lane, East India and Bromley by Bow stations entirely into Zone 2." (sic)
The safest assumption about these stations might be something along the lines of "don't know".
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/travel-for-under-18s/zip-oyster-photocards
I wonder if the stations in question will be moved to Zone 2, but the fares for Oyster/contactless users from outer London will remain to Zone 3? There are other inconspicuous fare easements in place, such as in the Shoreditch ELL and Notting Hill Gate areas, which benefit those making local journeys with PAYG.
Some of us have seen a whole area in 2 zones before, though the overlapping West End and City zones were probably in the Archbishop's time rather than yours. My then landlord of course complained bitterly that the overlap ended one stop short of his office, rather than being grateful that he only had to walk one stop to cut his fare rather than the 3 stops if there had been no overlap.
For those enjoying the "London Reconnections blog is wrong" aspect then I wrote that article and as I have said over there I made an assumption. DG didn't make the same assumption, others then commented here and that made me pause and then apologise. Those of us sitting outside TfL and just having to work from Mayoral Decision documents don't have perfect knowledge. Perhaps someone else would like to write the next Fares Revision article for LR to ensure 100% accuracy?? ;-)
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2015/the-2016-fare-announcement
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