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What is interesting also on the TIM map is the projected travel times for 2021 and 2031. Living where I do near Stanmore there really isn't much improvement although I will be able to reach Battersea and Brixton quicker But If I were to move to say Uxbridge then I will be able to get much further in 2031 (presumably as a result of Crossrail). I agree that it does not reflect real journey times as it does not appear to reflect the difference between an 11 min journey on London Midland from Harrow and Wealdstone to Euston as opposed to a 25 minute one on London Overground or the Bakerloo
Peewit | Homepage | 16.06.15 - 7:37 a.m. | #
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Fascinating, especially as my house is apparently in an area classed as 1b despite being in 5 minute walk of one bus stop, 10 of a busier one, of a tram stop and a tube station.
Mind you, TfL wanted to divert a bus down a street near us which would have, presumably, have improved our rating, but it got thwarted by a load of nimbies who decided that two midi-buses on a 30 minute frequency would cause "transport chaos" and managed to put enough mis-information out there that TfL eventually gave up.
With my eyes of someone who grew up outside London, and who has used public transport in many parts of the UK, the 1b rating seems rather bonkers. But it's always worth remembering that without the level of public transport that London has, the place would quickly fall apart.
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 16.06.15 - 9:25 a.m. | #
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I'm in a 1b. We have a bus stop very near but as we are on the side of a 6 lane A road it only goes in one direction and it's a 5 minute walk ( via an underpass)!to get to the other side.
Cornish monkey | 16.06.15 - 10:13 a.m. | #
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Strangely, you are nearer to public transport in Ham the closer you get to the river, despite the fact that there is no way across it!
Disappointed to see that my journey to work would be exactly the same (just over 60 minutes) in sixteen years' time. Still, at least it will be free by then!
timbo | 16.06.15 - 10:26 a.m. | #
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Thank you for the link,DG. I am apparently living in a no.2 zone and will still be in 2021 and 2031. Well that's progess for you! Unfortunately for them, the people living on the opposite side of the same street are marked as a 1b zone and will be in'21 and '31. Strange,since the same bus serves their side of the street as serves ours? Wonder if I'll still have my freedom pass in sixteen years time? Who knows where I won't be able to get to. 😆😆
Jo W | 16.06.15 - 2:20 p.m. | #
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I'm in a no. 3 zone, with a bus stop with a 20 minute service a few yards away, a more frequent service at the next stop five minutes walk away, and a Met Line station 10 minutes walk away.
The nearest point on the edge of the 15 minute travel time zone is less than 5 minutes walk away, but in the other direction it extends a mile into a busless (and largely unpopulated) void.
Stephen Bird | 16.06.15 - 4:32 p.m. | #
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Minor correction: red on TIM is (obviously) up to half an hour.
dg nods: Thanks
PeterCS | 16.06.15 - 5:34 p.m. | #
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I'm borderline 1b/2, with a bus stop about 5 minutes away and a four tph train service within 15 minutes. Curiously, the station is a 6b, while less than a mile away is a station with a much better and faster service the station which only merits a 5. Presumably it's the huge number of buses that clutter up the place that tips the balance.
And simply counting bus routes or even bph can be misleading. As most of the buses near me start and finish at the bus station, each one only counts as one bus route (to/from wherever the other terminus is). If you live part way along a route, you effectively have two bus routes(to/from both termini)
timbo | 16.06.15 - 6:32 p.m. | #
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Lucky old you dg, living in a 6!
I'm in a 1b, even though I am still in travelcard zone 3 - that's what makes housing relatively affordable in Mitcham I suppose.
The travel time map is definitely very pessimistic, but I suppose it is average travel times, rather than fastest possible travel times if you make perfect connections.
Very interesting map, thanks for the link!
ChrisMitch | 16.06.15 - 8:10 p.m. | #
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"London is essentially a world of possibilities"...indeed, though not all good. As population is projected to increase by 1million in the next ten years I fear that for some the quality of life will be at risk of going downwards. Wonder if somewhere someone is designing a nice little website that has projections for quality of life in London 10 or 20 years into the future.
Grumpy Anon | 16.06.15 - 10:41 p.m. | #
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Great tip-off about this and fascinating to play with. Empirically, it seems to be about right too, based upon my '4' location.
Interesting to also try a boundary (I used Upminster) to see the effect going west rather than south.
rashbre | Homepage | 17.06.15 - 7:44 p.m. | #
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