please empty your brain below
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I'm open to plausible additions and corrections.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.11.24 - 1:00 a.m. | #
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Windrush ends at ECR I think.
Freddie | 25.11.24 - 7:07 a.m. | #
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I don't think Kingston has an Overground station.
Alan P. | 25.11.24 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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I think when naming the most southerly station on the Overground, you've inadvertently swapped East Croydon for West Croydon.
Nigel | 25.11.24 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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As a point of order, the closest station to the Lea Valley White Water Centre is Waltham Cross rather than Cheshunt, served solely by Greater Anglia.
Also the Windrush Line serves West Croydon, not East Croydon.
Barry S | 25.11.24 - 7:13 a.m. | #
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Came in to express surprise at East Croydon's addition to the Overground network but you guys have beaten me to it
Bob | 25.11.24 - 7:27 a.m. | #
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Once per correction will do :)
Fixed, thanks.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.11.24 - 7:41 a.m. | #
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dg writes: spoilers #6
Trust me on this one! The Liberty line passes through a cutting that has evidence of being the furthest south the Anglian ice sheet came during the ice age .
It’s also (possibly) the only line that has a bus route calling at each of its stations - the 370 from lakeside to Romford
Steve Green | 25.11.24 - 8:00 a.m. | #
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An excellent collection of facts! Thank you.
Isn't Euston the most central station on the Overground and not Camden Road?
JP | 25.11.24 - 8:08 a.m. | #
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The Enfield branch of the Weaver line has a 15 minute peak hours service (and could do with a 15 minute service at all tines, TBH).
Steve | 25.11.24 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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Highly trivial yes, but it'd be fun to learn which is the newest station on each of the lines and not just for one of them...although I suspect many of the others will be over a century old!
Desmond | 25.11.24 - 8:22 a.m. | #
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dg writes: more spoilers #1 #4 #10
10 things to do on the Liberty Line:
Upminster Tithe Barn, Upminster Windmill, the actual church with horns (St Andrews) that gives its name to Hornchurch, Fairkytes, The Queen's Theatre, Romford Market, Romford Greyhound Stadium, unless you count pieces that are in the suburbs of Romford (and/or in Havering-atte-Bower) and as such a bus ride away from the station even I am gonna struggle to make it to 10.
Dominic H | 25.11.24 - 8:23 a.m. | #
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dg writes: yet more spoilers #6
In April 2014 you wrote about a visit to, what is now, The Liberty Line. I learned there for the first time of the significance of Hornchurch Cutting, which I nominate to be considered for the Special Feature.
Daniel | 25.11.24 - 9:04 a.m. | #
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When/why did TfL make the decision to add slightly larger spaces between letters on their maps, etc.?
Charlie | 25.11.24 - 9:06 a.m. | #
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are there any platforms where trains from 2 lines stop? or are they always (or nearly always) on their own dedicated platforms?
I'm guessing Highbury and islington might? or Willesdon Junction?
Alistair | 25.11.24 - 9:17 a.m. | #
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Any help with the length of the Windrush, Mildmay or Weaver lines would be appreciated - an official measurement, not just an estimate from a map.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.11.24 - 9:22 a.m. | #
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This Mileages pdf should help...taken from the Network Rail eNRT page.
Table 002 - Liberty Line
Table 003 - Mildmay and Suffragette Lines
Table 017 - Weaver Line
Table 061 - Lioness Line
Table 167 - Windrush Line
John | 25.11.24 - 9:45 a.m. | #
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(same Mileages pdf)
If that doesn’t work this is where I found that table.
Lorenzo | 25.11.24 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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Barking Riverside to Barking isn't shown there but looking at records it appears to be 2 miles 64 chains.
John | 25.11.24 - 9:57 a.m. | #
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dg writes: yet more spoilers #3
There's one must see if you like your beer or cider on the Liberty Line, handily bang in the middle at Emerson Park and that is the multi award-winning Hop Inn.
Sadly, last time I went the Overground train ( there is only one on the line ) had broken down and we had to risk the buses.
ap | 25.11.24 - 10:01 a.m. | #
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Mileages updated, thanks.
To the nearest mile it turns out the Windrush, Mildmay and Weaver lines are all 24 miles long.
Mildmay: 23¾ miles
Windrush: 24 miles
Weaver: 24¼ miles
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.11.24 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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I am so sad that my closest Overground line is the least step-free. Unfortunate.
Kartik | 25.11.24 - 10:09 a.m. | #
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I'll risk a "surely" and say that Greenwich and Bromley are overground free.
dg writes: never risk a surely (see below)
Boneyboy | 25.11.24 - 10:29 a.m. | #
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Crystal Palace, Penge West and Anerley are all in Bromley. The surely i will leave for DG.
As we are now going to West Croydon, perhaps popping around the corner to St Michaels with All Angels, still a place of worship in a sea of commerce, would be less of a disappointment than the Fairfield Halls (unless you are a Terry and June fan)
Keith the Kraut | 25.11.24 - 10:36 a.m. | #
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Anerley, Crystal Palace and Penge West are Overground stations in Bromley.
When it was built, New Cross station was in Kent and New Cross Gate in Surrey, but the boundary between the modern boroughs of Lewisham (formerly in Surrey) and Greenwcih (formerly in Kent) now lies east of both of them, so New Cross is in Lewisham
timbo | 25.11.24 - 10:48 a.m. | #
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Well I'm off to a great start in trying to remember the names and colours.
I'd correctly matched the Mildmay line with blue but had it in my head it terminated at Highbury & Islington!
Back to the drawing board .... sigh.
Cornish Cockney | 25.11.24 - 11:52 a.m. | #
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Pity Havering’s tourism website is so poor then.
Sprout Eater | 25.11.24 - 12:39 p.m. | #
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From time to time what is now the "Mildmay" runs over "Lioness" track via the track that passes through former Primrose Hill station (Approximately once a year for a day or two at a time including the past August).
And that routing is still possible When needed operationally
How does that fit into this analysis?
MilesT | 25.11.24 - 1:51 p.m. | #
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Will take some time to get used to but much much better already for first time users. I guess the next issue is how does one define lines if the Overground takes over the South London suburban railways in particular? I hope they look over at Paris for the RER train codes which are actually quite useful for explaining service patterns (and are used *in addition* and not instead of line names).
matthieu1221 | 25.11.24 - 2:56 p.m. | #
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dg writes: yet more spoilers #3 #4
Things to see near Emerson Park: the Queen's Theatre Hornchurch (it's closer than Hornchurch underground station) and a fish and chip shop called "Oh My Cod!"
James | 25.11.24 - 3:04 p.m. | #
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South Hampstead being the least used station adjacent to Euston being the most used.
I wonder how often that occurs on train/tube/DLR/other lines? (obviously excluding things like the W&C line, Liberty Line, and other services with 5/6 stops or less). I guess Pimlico and Victoria could be one.
BP | 25.11.24 - 3:50 p.m. | #
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Alistair, there are no platforms where trains of more than one Overground line routinely stop (though crossovers exist that would permit it).
I find it pleasingly rare for a platform to fail to be dedicated to Overground services. One exception (Bakerloo and District overlaps aside) being Barking where since the extension to Barking Riverside the Suffragette line shares platforms with c2c services.
(+ LST SRA etc. depending on your definition).
Michael T | 25.11.24 - 4:26 p.m. | #
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And another being Imperial Wharf to Shepherds Bush - a run of four stations, so perhaps the second most overlappy stretch.
Marek | 25.11.24 - 8:53 p.m. | #
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Marek,
At most the second equal most overlappy stretch. Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham.
It did extend to Penge West and Anerley but they have now lost their Southern service post-Covid.
However, you can extend northwards to New Cross Gate where the up platform (actually strictly speaking it is the down platform by a bit of perverse logic) which is platform 5 shares Southern and Windrush services so I would argue my 4½ beats your 4.
Pedantic of Purley | 25.11.24 - 11:23 p.m. | #
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PoP - I thought of that immediately after posting my comment (as you do), and so concede to your 4½
Marek | 26.11.24 - 7:48 a.m. | #
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