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It's like urinal etiquette, if there's a group of three it's not the done thing to occupy the middle one!
Occupying the end seat means that someone else can sit in the row without sitting next to you. It also means a couple can sit next together.
The middle seat is more comfortable though as you have two armrests...
Mikey C | 19.01.23 - 9:03 a.m. | #
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On the Metropolitan S8 stock, it's mainly the lateral seating window seats that are most worn, as they are the most popular and fill up first. S8 stock is older than the S7 stock on the other subsurface lines, but the wear rate is rather disappointing.
Keith | 19.01.23 - 9:10 a.m. | #
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Possibly a result of seats having rather less give than they used to, resulting in the fabric taking all the strain rather than the springs/foam inside.
This survey won't always be reliable. At some point those worn seats will I hope be reupholstered and if the same fabric is used they will then look less popular than the ones that still have life in them.
Andrew S | 19.01.23 - 10:08 a.m. | #
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Many Met Line trains have lots of seats with bad wear; in any position!
In the current financial state of TfL, I fear we are not going to see much refurbishment.
MikeK | 19.01.23 - 10:45 a.m. | #
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The seat moquette quality on the S Stock really is poor. I’m surprised they haven’t replaced with an SSR version of Barman, but “no money” l guess.
Kim | 19.01.23 - 10:48 a.m. | #
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I wonder if wear from feet on seats is also a factor.
Richard Morris | 19.01.23 - 11:35 a.m. | #
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You'd need bloody long legs on the S Stock trains to reach all the way over - though granted a potential issue with the lateral seating.
TomH | 19.01.23 - 11:48 a.m. | #
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Nevermind the S stock, have you seen how tatty the Victoria line moquette is looking lately? Most apparent when they replace one seat and you realise how dirty the other ones are...
Daniel | 19.01.23 - 12:53 p.m. | #
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The same can be seen on Greater Anglia's Class 720s, which have 3+2 seating and are currently being introduced on the lines out of Liverpool Street.
The effect is clearly visible after just a few weeks in service!
miker | 19.01.23 - 1:34 p.m. | #
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'people prefer the privacy of the seat furthest from the doors' or 'prefer the warmth' - certainly my finding on local buses at the moment. Don't sit near the doors!
BP | 19.01.23 - 1:46 p.m. | #
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This makes me think of the first low-floor Darts that First Centrewest put on the chronically overcrowded 28/31/328 group back in '99. Within 2-3 years they seats were all looking very "sat in", running around full (or at least well loaded) for 18 hours a day!
Nico | 19.01.23 - 2:31 p.m. | #
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I remember a demo of the Routemaster moquette, showing that it was designed and woven with fabric of two depths, rather than flat. The recessed sections were a grid pattern of narrow yellow lines, set against the larger dark red (I think) blocks of the raised weave; the theory was that, as the seats were worn, the yellow would continue to stand out and stay relatively cleaner, and the fabric would wear better because it wasn’t exposed to the same pressure across the whole surface. Not sure if it worked in practice or was just an optical illusion! (Presumably also more expensive than contemporary fabrics.)
Labourer | 19.01.23 - 7:51 p.m. | #
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Replaced my ten year old sofa cover about a year ago due to backside erosion. The new one must be lower quality as already looking a bit tatty - or perhaps the backside's the problem?
Anon Coward | 20.01.23 - 2:19 a.m. | #
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Agree with Andrew that the wear *seems* a bit faster now that they've taken the springy bits away. I've noticed it most on the Northern Line where there's a clear demarcation of when they took the springs away, vs. the Vic and Met where the new trains never had it.
Chz | 20.01.23 - 8:19 a.m. | #
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Turn the other cheek
Rich G | Homepage | 20.01.23 - 2:57 p.m. | #
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