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I wonder what is the record for most buses withdrawn in a year?
Tom | 17.02.25 - 6:34 a.m. | #
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It’s actually not that unusual for the bus network to be trimmed to match passenger numbers or the financial situation. Over the decades, 1958, 1968 & 1978 saw much more extensive trimming. The localisation of routes from the 1980s onwards saw much overlapping over central sections as older routes were cut into two and it is that over capacity that is being eradicated. These gaps left in the network often lead to new services later.
The core of the 14 has always been the section Putney - Piccadilly Circus. It had been working that since before route numbering in 1908 from Putney at times to Stratford, Leytonstone & Wanstead and in 1911 was diverted at Piccadilly to Hornsey Rise, which became the terminus until 1987. At times it had also been extended to Kingston & Turnpike Lane. We are just returning to basics.
Steve | 17.02.25 - 7:05 a.m. | #
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Steve, you forgot to mention that Hornsey Rise continued to be the terminus on Sunday mornings until 1992.
Ken T | 17.02.25 - 7:31 a.m. | #
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And there was me thinking the 414 ran between West Croydon and Horsham via Dorking, one if the first routes on which I used a Green Rover, armed with a Sainsbury's pork pie. Happy days!
Betterbee | 17.02.25 - 7:42 a.m. | #
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Most buses withdrawn in a year or most routes withdrawn in a year?
Don't forget 1939 and 1982, also deregulation in 1986 saw the end of many historic London Country/Country bus route numbers.
Three sets of the big cuts were due to external factors, war (1939), loss of passengers after a strike (1958), legal ruling (1982).
Still Anon | 17.02.25 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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The 414 has one handy use which dies with the route. It was the only bus that started in front of Putney Bridge Station and turned right. Very handy when the District Line is disrupted and you are heading into town. Something that has become much more useful now that trains are turned at Parsons Green rather than Putney Bridge when there's trouble further down the line.
ap | 17.02.25 - 8:44 a.m. | #
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it hoovers up all our potential passengers, who it turns out are making a terrible mistake. At the second stop we'll be overtaking the 14 and then we'll leave it behind
Ah, yes. A Londoner's concept of a terrible mistake.
Pedantic of Purley | 17.02.25 - 9:16 a.m. | #
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Getting a sense that you’re not a fan of the timetable and its 24 minute overall time
emma | 17.02.25 - 9:19 a.m. | #
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the immaculate are tracking down the impeccable ... that in itself is impeccably immaculate
Caroline | 17.02.25 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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Trying to look on the more positive side of things, what's the latest bus route to be ADDED?
dg writes: 310 (Sep 24)
Ewan James | 17.02.25 - 10:44 a.m. | #
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As I recall the 414 was one of several routes introduced around 2002/3 in association with the original congestion charge zone - 148, 205, 414, 436, 452, 453...
I believe the stated intention was to mitigate the effects by providing new connections around the periphery in the hope of enticing disaffected car drivers. Most of these new services largely duplicated existing routes, peeling off round the edges of the zone, providing considerable extra capacity.
Of these, the 414 seems to have been one of the least successful, the 436 having already been withdrawn; and the 148 and 205 the most, notwithstanding recent aspirations to tinker with the latter. Bit by bit the additional capacity is being nibbled away.
Strabismus | 17.02.25 - 11:00 a.m. | #
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A complete turnaround from the 90s and 00s, when it was all about expanding the bus network INSIDE inner London.
Apart from brand new routes, other increases in capacity were created by splitting longer routes, but having an overlap in inner London, e.g. the 139 being split out of the 159, or the 10 being split out of the 73 followed by the 390 being split out of the 10, resulting in THREE routes going down Oxford Street (10, 73, 390) at one point, instead of the previous one!
Mikey C | 17.02.25 - 11:35 a.m. | #
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Nice ride - even if it was 50% longer than advertised!
Cornish Cockney | 17.02.25 - 12:08 p.m. | #
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The timetable on London Bus Routes has a running time of around 35 minutes from Putney to Marble Arch on a Sunday morning, so your bus ran to schedule.
The first bus of the day (at 05:25) should do the trip in 24 minutes as well as the next few.
Paul B | 17.02.25 - 12:33 p.m. | #
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Timetable strips at bus stops used to say “off peak journey time in minutes” but the new-style designs don’t. Maybe that helps explain why accuracy is now much looser.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 17.02.25 - 12:44 p.m. | #
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The 436 wasn't withdrawn, it was rerouted to Battersea Park Stn.
Still Anon | 17.02.25 - 1:19 p.m. | #
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Mikey C. Yes, I agree with your point but it shouldn't be forgotten that the original 73 service had many short workings and these were lost and merged into the extra 10 and then the 390 journeys. Three different route numbers doesn't actually mean three times the amount of journeys.
Steve | 17.02.25 - 1:25 p.m. | #
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The map isn't actually too bad for once (and showing the 74 is incredibly important in my opinion considering how TfL don't bother with a proper bus map anymore). That's 8% of passengers who may care, and as TfL say, 'Every Journey Matters' (sometimes).
The 14 being every 11 is due to a temporary timetable if I recall correctly, it's usually every 10 (and given that the same roadworks may still be ongoing, the frequency increase may at first be to every 9 rather than 8).
The 414 anecdotally seems to get busy only when there's been a gap on the 14/74/137 (depending on the bus stop). I've found it useful myself because of a gap on the 14 but alas such additional resilience is costly.
matthieu1221 | 17.02.25 - 3:15 p.m. | #
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What's a “secret” spa? How does it differ from a brazen spa? If you can spot it from a passing bus, it can't be that secretive.
Smylers | 17.02.25 - 3:18 p.m. | #
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I'm not sure how important the 414 truly was, but based on its current routing, it probably won't be missed too much. When it was cut back to Marble Arch, yes it should have been axed completely.
Also, would you mind sharing the presentation with us first, out of curiosity?
All Over 2a | Homepage | 17.02.25 - 8:32 p.m. | #
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Steve, Perhaps I should have made that clearer!
With such split routes, there definitely was an increase in bus mileage in the central duplicated section. And this process happened further out as well, with the 28 and 31 rejigged into the 28, 31 and 328, and the 260 split into the overlapping 260 and 460.
Mikey C | 17.02.25 - 8:56 p.m. | #
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This would make the frequency through to Putney quite poor route planning evident in the 14, 74 and 430 outright, Regarding there was also meant to be Wandsworth/East Hill/Clapham Junction between Oxford Circus which never happened to new 311 route. It genuinely baffles along the entire Maida Hill, only useful bit as a former 6.
AK334 | 21.02.25 - 10:45 p.m. | #
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