please empty your brain below

clarity is everything in cartography and this is beginning to get too complex

im sorry to drag up old topics but i still have major issues about O2 - so what is at north greenwich exactly??? is it the mobile phone company??? no its a bloody great dome shaped thingy

It is, alas, the name of the dome-shaped thingy.

This is the map in the London Overground timetable book. At least estate agents around Brockley and Honor Oak Park will be able to add a few grand to prices on the erroneous basis that they'll be on the Tube.

Surely Canary Wharf Jubilee is *east* of the DLR station, not west? And South Tottenham is *south* of Seven Sisters, not north.

It doesn't matter, anonymous, nobody ever pretended the Tube map was an accurate representation of where things are.

Well, apart from estate agents. And people who move to North London. *cough*

The trouble is, with all of these additional bits of "information" now appearing, the tube map is increasingly about where things are (and providing accurate details of how to interchange from one bit to another). The rationale appears to be "imprecise precision" (and it's getting harder to tell which is which).

Indeed. There's too many things you simply don't need to know.

Ah, but some people do need to know.
A mum with a pushchair trying to get from Rotherhithe to Heron Quays would find the new map *cough* invaluable.

Its the inconsistency that makes this map amateurish and half-witted.

Why give the distances for only two out-of-station interchanges. What about Bow, Tower Hill, Hammersmith. What about adding Euston Square/Warren Street and Camden Town/Camden Road to the map. What is so magical about interchanges less than 200m, what about inside-station interchanges which are more than 100m. Will we ever get a warning about Bank Central Line to Monument, or Waterloo Jubilee to any of the other lines?

TfL need to sort out their information provision fast, if they carry on at the rate they are going then they are going to become a laughing stock, just in time for the 2012 Olympics.

Using this map if changing from South Tottenham to Seven Sisters I would turn left after leaving the former station and not right.

And why can't the "step-free" indication be appended to the index instead of covering the map in ever-increasing blue blobs? Fortunately the collapse of Metronet is rumoured to be reducing their rate of march.

Anonymous.. Point taken, but nobody would change trains at South Tottenham/Seven Sisters.. it's easier Eastbound at Blackhorse Rd and there's absolutely no need Westbound.

Regarding the "blue blobs", well they have nothing to do with ease of travel, but everything to do with "spin".

As you rather cynically mentioned, too few "real" tube stations have been converted to make their addition on the map necessary.

As an example, a wheelchair user (travelling alone) starting a journey at Brixton, can either travel to Vauxhall, cross the platform and then back to Stockwell and change for Morden. Or change platforms at Stockwell for Willesden Junction or Harrow & Wealdstone, West Finchley and Woodside Park. A connection to London Bridge does of course open up a lot of the East End, but I'm sure only a handful of passengers use this facility and the question must be asked; does this information need to be on the main map?

The addition of the new extensions has only publicity value. The average traveller not being either interested or aware that there have been changes to the network.

In previous decades, London Transport did add lines "Under Construction" on to the map quite early on, but this was never an indicator that they would actually come into service. The extensions from Elephant & Castle to Camberwell as well as West Ruislip - Denham being good examples of this. Not to mention the whole Northern Heights system which was grandly added to the map but sadly never came into being.

"Using this map if changing from South Tottenham to Seven Sisters I would turn left after leaving the former station and not right."

How can you tell which direction the station is facing at South Tottenham? Even on most streetmaps it is hard to pinpoint the precise locations of station entrances. Other than compass carrying londoners, relative spatial positions of stations on maps cannot be used to plan an interchange, better to rely on local signposting than the Underground map.

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