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I like the simple message used earlier during a world crisis; "Is your journey really necessary?"
Malcolm | 19.08.20 - 7:12 a.m. | #
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The morning peak crowding experience of a westbound platform or train at Bow Road would be significantly different to the socially distanced lightly used trains and platform 5m opposite going eastbound, with the added benefit of a shorter walk through the station building.
Their summary is not fit for purpose.
scrumpy | 19.08.20 - 8:45 a.m. | #
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TFL have the times of most people's tap in and tap out so they must have a good idea of how full the trains are as well as how busy the stations are. Ideally this information would be on the journey planner
Tony Woolf | 19.08.20 - 8:46 a.m. | #
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I imagine tap-in/out data is great for determining how busy a station is, but is less useful for trains for a number of reasons. Firstly, with the frequency on most lines back to normal levels, people are likely to avoid a train which looks too busy and wait for the next one. Secondly, in stations where one gateline provides access to several lines, the relationship of tap-ins to train occupancy is impossible to determine.
There's no perfect way of doing this, save for expensively retrofitting the kind of monitoring equipment found on the new Thameslink rolling stock. I think TfL's current effort - with the addition of some sort of scale so we could all apply our own standards as DG mentioned - is probably as useful as it gets.
Mike Newman | Homepage | 19.08.20 - 8:57 a.m. | #
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The data is held about how busy trains are when but as is often the case the people who produce the website aren’t fully talking to the people who do the analysis and hold the information.
David | 19.08.20 - 9:12 a.m. | #
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No longer a Tube user, but it seems to me that the information needed is the percentage spare capacity on each line in each direction throughout the operating day, both in Zone 1 and beyond. Stations are a separate issue, especially interchanges.
Ian | 19.08.20 - 9:18 a.m. | #
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I have used the trains and tubes several times including out in your area DG (not before 10am). The TFL busiest times graphs are next to useless. Basically everything is still very quiet - a Jubilee line train at Waterloo at 10.15 I was the only person in the carriage. There are times when 1m distancing is almost impossible but that is rare. On stations oodles of room on the platforms, occasionally short queue at ticket gates.
davews | 19.08.20 - 9:50 a.m. | #
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Didn't there used to be a real-time "how full is your carriage" thingy aimed at getting commuters to move down the platform to find slightly more cramming space, or was that only available once you were on the platform?
Either way, I'd head for the extremities anyway.
I was on a tube in early July - a Sunday afternoon, not needing to travel into Central London, and enjoyed 3 people in each segment of the carriage - which was still busier than I'd expected.
I'll need to travel through London next weekend so it'll be interesting to see the difference, if any, and, more importantly for me, gauge how compliant mask-wearing is, as compared to the bus/shops where people enter wearing, then pull down to gently cradle their chins - especially if they're then going to talk on their phone the whole journey! They can still hear you through your mask people!!!!
Cornish Cockney | 19.08.20 - 9:58 a.m. | #
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After not using the tube for 4 months I've been on a couple of times in the last 2 weeks - Finsbury Park to Warren St and back - normally very busy and it's been pretty empty. Everyone was wearing a mask and it was fine.
Johnny Topaz | 19.08.20 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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"Nobody's taken the time to provide any bespoke information about individual cases, just powered up an algorithm...".
Now where have I heard that before?
strawbrick | 19.08.20 - 10:20 a.m. | #
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ap | 19.08.20 - 10:37 a.m. | #
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International Reader | 19.08.20 - 11:29 a.m. | #
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Seeing as there are live camera feeds showing trains in various countries, they could do the same on the tube, so a live feed showing the platform, and a live feed showing departing trains, then each individual could decide on their own bespoke comfort level, rather than rely on someone else's interpretation.
Weren't TfL touting their use of mobile phone data to track crowds, what happened to that?
Still Anon | 19.08.20 - 11:55 a.m. | #
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We've nervously ventured into central London a few time recently and been surprised how quiet the underground is during the day, with a handful of people in each carriage and nearly all wearing masks. We sensed a bit of a build up towards the end of the afternoon, particularly on the 'tube' lines, so we keep to our more spacious District Line.
The central London pavements, however, are quite busy and I sense tourists are back in town and strolling about. Safe distancing is a bit hit and miss, or more accurately near miss and wide berth. The art galleries are delightfully empty, but that's because you have to book a slot ahead of time.
ActonMan | 19.08.20 - 1:37 p.m. | #
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There are various apps from various rail companies giving various levels of information on carriage crampedness.
From LNER's reserved seats through C2C, SWR and others levels of seat availability through Trainline's user generated content detailing how busy carriages are (in Beta apparently) to Dutch railways' service which uses CCTV and carriage weight to give the most useful information.
If they can do it, you would imagine that the data is being collected by TfL for maintenance and security purposes. It can't be too big a gap to provide this to we embattled customers.
JP | 19.08.20 - 1:43 p.m. | #
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As all train carriages have cameras, a webcam facility with live feeds, or even stills of (for example) ‘Carriage 3 District Line westbound, Bow at 08.15 19.8.20’ would be helpful in providing busy-ness information.
Lorraine | 19.08.20 - 4:10 p.m. | #
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I agree with other commenters who have said that it is rather quiet on the Tube at the moment. I have taken a few trips through Central London at various times of day recently, and social distancing has not been a problem. I even had a carriage to myself on the Piccadilly line yesterday afternoon, even as it passed through King’s Cross St Pancras.
I think this is partly due to it being August. But it also makes me question how reliable TfL data and travel suggestions really are at the moment. I can’t shake the feeling that we’re being ‘nudged’ toward certain behavioural responses as passengers. Like what you’ve noticed with TfL Go / the Journey Planner recently, DG.
Sam | 19.08.20 - 4:34 p.m. | #
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This isn't a problem which needs a high-tech solution (let alone an intrusive camera feed solution).
TfL know very well which bits of line are generally busy at which general times. All they need to do is generally tell us.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 19.08.20 - 4:46 p.m. | #
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The newer trains monitor load weight, and this is displayed in the line control centres. I have seen this in the Victoria line control room, which also had access to all the station cameras. Problem is a lot of train stock is up to nearly fifty years old.
Keith | 19.08.20 - 4:50 p.m. | #
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I thought it was interesting what they're doing on the Copenhagen 'Overground' style network -
https://pladspaarejsen.dk/kort (Mobile friendly only, but it sort of works on desktop)
A live map of all their trains on the network, and apparently weight sensors on the train can determine how busy the train is. You can also search for your station too, and it shows all the trains due and how busy they are. Useful if you're on a trunk station like Nordhavn and there are several lines you could take into Central Station. A quiet train might be just a few minutes more wait.
R | 19.08.20 - 8:18 p.m. | #
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I was in Scotland last week and needed to take a 20 minute trip by bus. The "first bus" app not only shows when the next bus is (real time position) but how many passengers are already on and how many free seats (calculated by new social distance capacity rules). Impressive.
I'm not sure tfl can easily do the same - the buses in Scotland have single door so the driver can easily record passenger exits. With middle doors exit in London, it would be much tougher to keep tracks on people getting off
IslandDweller | 20.08.20 - 8:36 a.m. | #
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If you look at the table underlying the data that these charts are based on, they all seem to be a percentage of whatever the 15 minute peak at that station is.
I don't know that that's very useful at all for determining how quiet the station is.
M | 20.08.20 - 10:55 a.m. | #
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Graphs that don't give you the information you need are useless. Go and stand on train platforms and see how many people are in the trains.
Andrew | Homepage | 20.08.20 - 11:30 a.m. | #
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