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Golders Green bus station?

dg writes: added, thanks.

Tetramesh | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 7:10 a.m. | #

Leytonstone bus station is in 2 parts, each side of the Underground station, separated by a long subway.

amber | 16.08.20 - 7:15 a.m. | #

Turnpike Lane in 2x categories.

dg writes: deleted, thanks.

Frank F | 16.08.20 - 7:43 a.m. | #

Mortlake has double its bus lines since the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, it jumped from 1 to 2! It still amazes me there’s even a bus station here.

Renata | 16.08.20 - 7:45 a.m. | #

Lewisham still has a bus station,
well according to TFL anyway...

Jay | 16.08.20 - 7:56 a.m. | #

Southgate, Morden, Willesden Junction, North Middlesex Hospital, Central Middlesex Hospital, the new one at Chase Farm Hospital, King George Hospital, Princess Royal Hospital, Barnet Hospital, Brimsdown, Gallions Reach Retail Park, Crossharbour - Asda, Ilford - Sainsbury's, Bromley North, Wallington Stn., White City, Clapham Junction, North Greenwich, Canada Water, New Cross Sainbury's and Foots Cray Tesco.

Hasn't Becontree Heath been sold off for redevelopment?, either that or whats left is just used as a stand and buses pick-up and drop-off in the street.

Still Anon | 16.08.20 - 8:13 a.m. | #

Which does beg the question, what’s a bus station and what’s just a collection of bus stops?

diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 8:19 a.m. | #

Fulwell Bus Garage: two stations under one roof, divided between two operators using separate entrances and exits.

MartinO'Holcombe | 16.08.20 - 8:36 a.m. | #

Think Mortlake is a bus station for historical reasons. It replaced Mortlake Garage & was built as part of the housing development on the site. It includes a building providing staff facilities.

ap | 16.08.20 - 8:40 a.m. | #

Depending on your definition, Little Park Gardens in Enfield?

Jacqui | 16.08.20 - 8:58 a.m. | #

Jay, the bus station at Lewisham "does not serve any TfL routes"!

Ian | 16.08.20 - 9:00 a.m. | #

To be honest, I wasn't sure if Lewisham bus station existed any more following all the work going on there to build new tower blocks.

It wasn't on DGs list so was fairly sure it didn't, but a quick internet search found that TFL think it does, even though it doesn't serve any TFL routes so I thought I'd share the details of the London bus station with no (TFL) bus services!

Jay | 16.08.20 - 9:18 a.m. | #

Waltham Cross bus station isn't on the list?

dg writes: it’s not in London.

John | 16.08.20 - 9:28 a.m. | #

Attempt at definition of a bus station, does it have dedicated off street stands for buses? (regardless of who owns the land), are passengers dropped off and/or picked up in the same area?

If the answer is yes to both, then its a bus station, whatever anyone else calls it, after all what is the difference between Golders Green - which is called a bus station and North Middlesex Hospital which isn't, both have dedicated off street stands for buses, both have stops for picking up and setting down passengers, some might say 'do they also have dedicated staff facilities', but at North Middlesex there are toilets in the hospital, also Cockfosters, Oakwood, Southgate and Arnos Grove count as bus stations as they have all three.

So add Mill Hill Broadway, and Beckton Sainsbury's, not sure about Ruislip as the buses stand in the road, who owns the road?

So in Romford I wouldn't count the station and the market as the stands and stops are separate, but I would include the hospital as the stands and stops are contiguous.

Also not all routes have to serve the bus station, for example the 13, 210 and 460 don't serve the bus station at Golders Green, they stop outside, and at Euston not only does the 168 by pass by outside, but some others only serve it in one direction (30, 91, 205, 390).

Still Anon | 16.08.20 - 9:29 a.m. | #

I agree. I believe there was an earlier bus station in Lewisham which also ceased to function as such.

I had thought that Hounslow was now similar, but I see you can still board a 281 there.

To me a proper bus station includes offroad boarding and alighting points, plus layover space for at least one terminating route and/or regular short turning point.

Nomenclature is individualistic: on the 240 the timetabled termini are called "Edgware, Bus Station" and "Golders Green Station, Bus Station".

Ian | 16.08.20 - 9:56 a.m. | #

I am missing Victoria Coach Station. Does it count as TfL-served?

Redoute | 16.08.20 - 10:02 a.m. | #

I've always struggled with East Croydon being described as bus station. Nothing terminates there, there are no stands and the routes all pass through.

Croydonite | 16.08.20 - 10:03 a.m. | #

What about Bromley? By Bromley North station

Jonathan | 16.08.20 - 10:07 a.m. | #

Using Ian's definition of a proper bus station, Elmers End is certainly one

Beckenhamian | 16.08.20 - 10:22 a.m. | #

Waltham Cross is a TfL owned Bus Station, albeit located in Hertfordshire (just).

You also missed Romford (Brewery).

Les Savine | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 10:57 a.m. | #

This (old) Spider Map refers to "Shepherd's Bush Interchange".

Vectis | 16.08.20 - 10:57 a.m. | #

Section 5.3 of TfL's Traffic Modelling Guidelines (September 2010) gives the following definition of a bus station.

"A bus stop is an on-street location allowing for buses to pick up and drop off passengers.

"A bus stand is a facility which allows passenger pick up/drop off but also provides for terminating bus services to regulate headways and therefore to stop for a longer period.

"A bus station is an off-street location which allows for services to begin/terminate, passengers to board/alight and acts as a service interchange."

Joachim | 16.08.20 - 11:15 a.m. | #

Lewisham bus station disappeared under flats, although Station Road loops around the outside of the site, and is still used by buses, the bus station opened in 1978 replacing the classic (depending on age) Rennell Street stand, I think it was rearranged at least once, I thought that you could board in the bus station at one point, then they turned it all over to stand space and put stops on the exit road or outside.

Still Anon | 16.08.20 - 11:53 a.m. | #

I’d say Romford Brewery (where the 165 terminates) is a bus station. It has its own signage and everything.

I think the best bus station is Walthamstow, followed by North Greenwich and Canning Town.

PVR | 16.08.20 - 12:00 p.m. | #

Post updated, thanks!
(though still somewhat subjective)

diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 12:30 p.m. | #

Hatton Cross and Feltham station too.

John | 16.08.20 - 1:05 p.m. | #

Becontree Heath Bus Station was built on, but a replacement sprung up in the old car park behind the Three Travellers pub. It has offices for the controllers, toilets and a mess room so should still make the mark as a bus station.

Rob Healy | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 1:07 p.m. | #

Defining anything is impossible. Write a definition, and someone can always come up with a borderline or paradoxical case.

Malcolm | 16.08.20 - 1:52 p.m. | #

As someone I was paid by TfL (until 2016) to visit and inspect their owned and usually staffed bus stations some of which were:

Hatton Cross, but not Heathrow (owned by Heathrow not TfL).
Waltham Cross
Eltham

Interestly there was no requirement to assess Richmond bus station.

Putney Bridge and Addington Village are both bus stations not an interchange (one clue is the rarely staff information kiosks).

Surbitonian | 16.08.20 - 3:50 p.m. | #

And yet Addington Village is officially Addington Village Interchange (because this is complicated).

diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 3:57 p.m. | #

One unnecessary point of extra detail is that there are a few bus stops physically separate from some bus stations that TfL consider to be part of the bus station. For example if you leave the far end of Crystal Palace bus station and go across the busy main road at the controlled crossing and then walk up the road a short distance you come to a bus stop and shelter - this is actually part of the bus station!

Surbitonian | 16.08.20 - 4:14 p.m. | #

Finsbury Park is also officially an interchange.

Rob Healy | Homepage | 16.08.20 - 5:12 p.m. | #

Like Addington, the bus stations at Shudehill (Manchester) and Bury are called “Interchange” and have trams as well as buses.

Sprout Eater | 16.08.20 - 6:03 p.m. | #

Does Golders Green count as having 2 bus stations? The main bus station for most buses and a " side court" for H2, H3 & 631 which has a entry/exit access separate to the rest of the main bus station.

Richard | 16.08.20 - 7:01 p.m. | #

Using Ian's defonitiom of a bus station, I think Kingston Hospital counts, but as it's in Norbiton. Kingston itslf still only has two

Timbo | 16.08.20 - 9:03 p.m. | #

Local TfL management claimed in a pensioners' meeting that Uxbridge Bus Station is not in fact a bus station, this being a somewhat bizarre defence of the equally bizarre decision to terminate all bus routes short of the bus station and make passengers do the last few hundred yards on foot.

Andrew S | 16.08.20 - 9:40 p.m. | #

I don't think Newbury Park is a bus station (except arguably when National & TfL rail replacement services connect to the Central Line).

Tony | 16.08.20 - 10:24 p.m. | #

There is also Catford Bus Garage along with Plumstead and Bexleyheath, do they not count?

Gemma | 17.08.20 - 7:23 a.m. | #

Perhaps Uxbridge doesn't count because non-TfL vehicles can drive into the "bus station" to drop off passengers for the Tube. Rather similar to Mill Hill Broadway I suggest, though that continues as a boarding/alighting point.

Gemma, I've not been to Bexleyheath for years but I recall a group of bus stops tucked away off the main road in the centre, as well as up the road in the forecourt of BX garage.

Ian | 17.08.20 - 8:20 a.m. | #

I would consider Golders Green the most notable, for being the one where National Expresses between Victoria Coach Station and the north call at. I wonder what other London bus stations NatEx coaches heading to their various directions call at.

TheLupineOne | 17.08.20 - 8:21 a.m. | #

I love that graphs and recession gets 7 comments; global pandemic impact 9, and bus stations 40 (at the time of me writing this). Provided we can keep this sense of perspective we can get through anything.

(not sarcastic, btw)

Sarah | Homepage | 17.08.20 - 11:59 a.m. | #

Post updated, again, thanks!
(though still somewhat subjective)

diamond geezer | Homepage | 17.08.20 - 12:00 p.m. | #

The decidedly non TfL and non National Express Berrys Coaches have served Hammersmith Bus Station for years. Curiously both the Green Line and National Express routes to and from Hammersmith avoid it.

ap | 17.08.20 - 6:03 p.m. | #

Leytonstone still not featured either as one or two bus stations.

amber | 18.08.20 - 8:46 a.m. | #

Mill Hill Broadway is a proper bus station. It's under a flyover and stinks of diesel fumes. If you're from the North, that's a bus station!

Wole | 20.08.20 - 3:15 p.m. | #











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