please empty your brain below

I do hope they have sense to, at the same time, make the fundamental unit of weight the gram. It is completely daft having the kilogram being the fundamental unit.

I also don't understand why people talk of the fundamental units as 'distance, time, weight'. Apart from mass not being the same as weight, we have moved on to a situation where the fundamental units are speed (of light), time, mass (plus four others - less obvious). Distance is now a derived unit (from speed and time).

And to be really pedantic we are taking about the velocity of light not the speed of light.
I thought a kilogram was the weight of a litre of fresh water?
Obviously I'm going to have to weigh up the pros and cons of going there. It's on the X26 route to Heathrow so I see it quite often from the outside.

When was this year's open day first advertised, and would a three hour visit suffice (I am a physicist by the way)?

dg writes: I spent three and a half.
The original standards were made by a British company, Johnson Matthey. An offcut of the metre still exists in a secure storage (it is an unusual ally and too small to do anything with). I have held it... (I used to work for them).
At first glance I thought this would be a rather boring post but it turned out to be fascinating.
Oh dear. Whatever happened to Bus stop M ? Come back - all is forgiven !
A former colleague used to make sure that we had clocks accurately displaying both UTC and GMT (they're not the same), and would occasionally correspond with the NPL's Peter Whibberley, who's in charge of their time service. He found it quite amusing that someone with a keen interest in accuracy would have such an imprecise-sounding surname.
I always liked the idea that there were THE actual physical examples of weights and measures that everything else was measured against, and that they were treated with even greater reverence than any religious object. Although there is the need for ever greater accuracy, it'll be a shame that there will no longer be requirement for a physical object.
Fascinating!
As a physicist I really should have known about this event coming up and gone along.

One day I'll get a Caesium fountain clock on ebay, but until then I'll stick with my 3 Rubidium clocks at home - all of which give a fractionally different time...
Superb - love this kind of thing, sooo interesting.
Why couldn't the kilogram be defined as the mass of a certain number of molecules of some kind? (My knowledge is limited to that derived from looking at my child's GCSE Physics exam notes recently)

dg writes: It could, and an alternative plan was to use an Avogadro Sphere made from a precise number of silicon atoms.



Several have been made, but for the official definition the Kibble Balance won out.

@Simon "I thought a kilogram was the weight of a litre of fresh water?"

Originally. Just like the metre was originally 1/10,000 of the distance between the North Pole and the Equator *through Paris*. But things are more complicated than that these days.
...or a litre is defined as a kilogram of water?

I think now a litre is defined as a decimetre cube of water, or one thousandth of a cubic metre.
Woe, woe, why did we ever stop the process of full metrication in the UK? Now we're left with a bonkers muddle of imperial and metric units...
Sounds like an absolutely fascinating day. I particularly like the list of "other things" at the end, and the linked visitor guide.

In terms of school physics (in my day, at least) velocity was a vector, that is speed in a particular direction. Light always travels at the same speed (in a vacuum), but may have varying velocity.

But nowadays really the "speed of light" is a thing. It is part of the structure of spacetime. You do not measure it, you define it. So it's not really a speed or a velocity, it's just the speed-of-light.
AlanBG - I think you mean kilometre for that fraction. ;)

It was a rather odd thing to go with (I believe the initial definition was 1cm = a trillionth of the distance) as it was neither measurable nor the size able to be estimated from the concept alone (in the highly unlikely event you can imagine how far it is to do a quadrant of earth, the divisor is an unpicturably huge - even 10,000 for the kilogram): its merely a calculable distance.

It makes units initially defined by royal body parts seem not absurd - obviously both need some sort of standard stick/rule (or definition involving em-waves) to replicate the distance - but the latter of the sort 'from the king's nose to his pointing finger' isn't deliberately trying to be as arbitrary and aloof from the mundane and human as possible.
“Six copies were made, and 40 further replicas dished out ”

What's the difference between a copy and a replica?
The Co-op may know precisely how many pasta shells should be in a packet but consumers only get an approximate weight , hence the e-mark on packaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_sign
In the end, all units of measurement are arbitrary human constructs or interpretations. It's just that the revolutionary French wanted to replace the length of the King's foot and a multiplicity of other domestic units with something more 'rational', so they went for a length based on the dimensions of the Earth.

French surveyors Méchain and Delambre spent many years crossing France with surveying equipment to make the necessary measurements that produced the metre. A decimetre cube of water gave the litre, the mass of which was a kilogram. The rational French also proposed a decimal time system, but that never caught on.
So, judging from the clock photo, DG would have passed within metres of my office!

We may even have chatted, if you visited the Earth Observation exhibit - I was wearing a blue NPL polo shirt... but then so was everyone else (there's not usually a dress code). Glad that you enjoyed the day!
But surely all this will be irrelevant when we bid farewell to all that foreign stuff and revive the Great British weights and measures of our ancestors?

I wonder if NPL have Imperial standards too?
I was there as well DG. Possibly standing next to you at some point: and not knowing it. How frustrating!
More nerds per square foot (sorry metre) than I have ever seen. It was great. Spent 4 hours there.
Sorry to those who missed being there. I doubt they will repeat it any time soon as it must have been a huge effort, cost and committment for NPL to put on. Just glad I spotted it several months ago. One can sign-up to receive information from them on their website so if they do, you will find out.
Fascinating stuff - thank you.

I feel uneasy with the definition of a metre in terms of the radiation emitted by anything, or the distance travelled by light in a certain time.

(a) How can anybody measure those things? Anybody could go to Trafalgar Square and measure their ruler against the standard yard.

(b) Is the wavelength of the radiation constant for ever?

(c) Is the speed of light in a vacuum constant for ever? Or does light speed up or slow down over time? (But what is time, anyway?)

(d) Light of different wavelengths travels at different speeds (or velocities) through material (that's how we get diffractions to make a rainbow); is the speed of all wavelengths of light the same in a vacuum? (I can't remember from A Level Physics nearly 40 years ago.)
If the definition has to refer to light OF A CERTAIN WAVELENGTH, then don't we end up defining a metre in terms of itself we go round in circles ... because wavelength (like any other length) is defined in terms of how far light travels ...

dg writes:
a) Scientists can
b) Yes
c) Yes
d) No

As a science nerd, a draftsman and the calibration inspector at my work...this was a great post. Sadly, I have no idea where the NPK for the US is currently residing (probably under trump's desk as a foot rest). Also sadly, we don't use the metric system (as we should) here in the US and that makes us the worst.
@Acton man
"a litre is defined as a kilogram of water"

Other way round - 1kg was originally defined as the mass of 1 litre of water. (It is also, in round numbers, the mass of 1 cubic metre of air)










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