please empty your brain below
|
|
It's not great reading when you look at the replies to Kay Burley's retweet, and it seems that the majority of people that have replied to her are in support of the guy in the t-shirt. I absolutely despair.
Geofftech | 26.06.16 - 7:24 a.m. | #
|
|
Having scanned through thousands of reactions to the photo and the t-shirt, rest assured that the supportive responses are in a very tiny minority.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 7:52 a.m. | #
|
As I've pointed out, the people at the bottom of society were ignored, high cost of housing 'blah, blah, blah' etc., in a referendum EVERYONE has a vote - in several cases, those who have never ever voted for anything, voted, 'because of too many foreigners'.
I assume that most of the people who read this blog, don't encounter these people (and have lifestyles where they never will), so assume they don't exist.
Politicians pointed out x billions would be lost, but if you are at the bottom of society, what do you lose exactly?
Cameron forget about the bread and circuses before calling the referendum, and paid the price.
| 26.06.16 - 7:54 a.m. | #
|
|
At the Harrow Lodge parkrun (Havering) yesterday morning, one of our marshals was shouted at by a Brexiting dog walker - we've taken our country back, now we need to take our parks back.
Running Corespondent | 26.06.16 - 7:54 a.m. | #
|
|
DG, I thought you a liberal. That someone can wear such potentially offensive dress legally is a sign of an adult and tolerant society. Look at some of the T-shirts young people wear with crude sexual references. For all we know, this guy's shirt represented a view that we might be able to kick out some the people who when convicted of serious or vile crimes are allowed to remain here under Euro legislation entitling them to 'family life' or whatever. Why didn't you gently walk up to the bloke in a friendly way and ask him who he wanted to send back?
Probably too complacent | 26.06.16 - 8:09 a.m. | #
|
At the Bexley (voted LEAVE) parkrun yesterday, the event organiser in his 'welcome' speech made a poor taste joke telling people to not 'Leave' the park and 'Remain' on the paths, etc...
It was too soon, and again - despairingly - it was the laughs and a few cheers of the crowd that it was greeted with that made me hang my head a little.
Geofftech | 26.06.16 - 8:15 a.m. | #
|
Your Tweet was mentioned on LBC radio early Sunday morning, the name Diamond geezer being quoted.
They were saying how racist incidents have increased since the referendum result.
Feel ashamed of the UK now.
John | 26.06.16 - 8:22 a.m. | #
|
|
The man implicated in the 4th photo appears to feature in the first photo albeit wearing something completely different. As if he had time to change.
Luke T | 26.06.16 - 8:40 a.m. | #
|
Hmm. I genuinely don't know what to think. One part of me is as appalled as DG. The other part lines up with the commenter above - I already knew that there are some people with views like that, and it is perhaps something to celebrate that, like anyone else, such people can express them freely (on a T-shirt or however else they want).
It does make me more grateful, though, for the significant number of people taking part in "not in my name" protests.
The brownies marching also bothers me.
Malcolm | 26.06.16 - 8:45 a.m. | #
|
Havering wasn't the only place in London to mark Armed Forces Day. The AFD website events listing has now deleted those which have already taken place but I know of at least two that were taking place yesterday, in SE London, at Footscray / New Eltham and at Woolwich.
There was also an event at City Hall on Monday (20th) at which I believe the current London Mayor would [like his predecessor in previous years] have taken a prominent role. I couldn't get there on the day but passed by City Hall yesterday, and there was still a 'Support Armed Forces Day' banner flying from one of the flagpoles... next to a rainbow Peace one.
Having mentioned the AFD site, it seems there are still a number of events still to take place, including one in Barking today:- https://www.armedforcesday.org.uk/find-events/
RogerW | 26.06.16 - 9:23 a.m. | #
|
To be honest, while offensive to most people, his open expression of his views could isn't necessarily all bad. I can't help thinking that closeted racism of some of the electorate was one factor that led to the Leave vote. (Not to say that all Leave voters were closet racists). At least it clearly encourages debate.
I tend to find that shaming on the internet like this can often lead to disproportionate action - many people have received death threats or effectively had their lives ruined because they tweeted something that was taken the wrong way or was genuinely out of turn (but not enough to justify people finding and plastering their home address everywhere). Thankfully this doesn't appeared to have happened in this case.
I can't help thinking that at least some of the current generation will fear the internet for what might happen if they step out of line. It'd just be another way for the media to control us.
One the other hand, one could argue he could have expected this to happen - if he was parading it around a busy town centre then he clearly doesn't mind people seeing it. It wouldn't be a stretch for him to have appeared on BBC News, for example.
| 26.06.16 - 9:25 a.m. | #
|
|
The lead item on yesterday's BBC 6 o'clock news featured voxpops from Romford's Armed Forces Day onlookers. That t-shirt could very well have been displayed to a far wider audience.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 9:33 a.m. | #
|
Hatred, xenophobia and racism are coming out of the closet. Nigel Farage has continued the job that Nick Griffin started and made people comfortable expressing such views openly.
For those of us who dislike and disagree with such views, we need to be willing to stand up and say so.
eric | 26.06.16 - 9:34 a.m. | #
|
Nice one DG - people should be made aware of how common passive racism is throughout the UK - and how it's now going to be legitimised thanks to Brexit.
(Greetings from a stunned Brussels.)
Kevin | 26.06.16 - 9:35 a.m. | #
|
Has Farage ever expressed the view for anybody to be "sent back"? Contolled borders maybe.
Ilford also has an Armed Forces event and even Newham flys the flag:
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/News
Agent Z | 26.06.16 - 10:00 a.m. | #
|
Don't forget that a lot of us in Ilford sill say that Ilford is in Essex.
In fact I think the main reason Redbridge voted remain was due to Wanstead and maybe a dash of Woodford in other words every thing to the west of The River Roding and in Redbridge it was a close result indeed.
I really think that sometimes Wanstead should be in Waltham Forest.
Basically what I'm saying is that Redbridge areas are all quite different from each other.
The end.
Ilford Depot | 26.06.16 - 10:05 a.m. | #
|
|
It may be a thoughtless generalisation, but this kind of thing tends to make me wait fearfully for the knock on the door at the end of this particular road. Though people I say this to always say, "No, you are the right sort of immigrant", that is not how it seems to me...
Peter Cameron | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 10:12 a.m. | #
|
|
I did say that Farage has called for people to be "sent back". I said that he has made hatred, xenophobia and racism mainstream views that people are openly expressing.
eric | 26.06.16 - 10:51 a.m. | #
|
|
This bell end is quite at liberty to wear that shirt. Just as I, and DG, are at liberty to call him a bell end for doing so. Thus it has always been.
Klepsie | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 10:55 a.m. | #
|
|
Typo, I meant "I didn't...
eric | 26.06.16 - 11:27 a.m. | #
|
http://thisisindexed.com/2016/06/those-other-people-are-crazy/
In a divorce there is absolutely no point fighting over the decision that has been made. The decision has been made. Come on people, get your act together: What things are to be done to take Britain forward? What BETTER institutions/governance do we want to implement NOW? This REQUIRES your input not this excuse for bigotry and condemnation of those who have been marginalized.
B | 26.06.16 - 11:39 a.m. | #
|
|
What are the chances of a call to rename Ludwigshafen Place, or Haveringallee in Ludwigshafen?
Sprout Eater | 26.06.16 - 12:34 p.m. | #
|
|
There is only one television lifestyle programme that treats Romford as being in London — and that is The Only Way Is Essex.
Sprout Eater | 26.06.16 - 12:37 p.m. | #
|
|
Some interesting comments, especially about closet/passive racism. Is not part of the problem that because of Political Correctness over recent decades that people are frightened to say anything that just might be perceived as risky except in very private gatherings and so our politicians have, not entirely through their own fault, become less aware of what people really feel. I am lucky to live in a well-heeled area where 'possible immigrant related' issues do not arise, but I can easily see that if you live in an area with a high immigrant population and, say, you find it difficult to see your GP, you can easily say that the problem is immigration. That, possibly unfounded, deduction then translates into passive racism.
| 26.06.16 - 1:14 p.m. | #
|
Ah, the photo's made the Guardian...
http://gu.com/p/4myj3
diamond geezer | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 3:59 p.m. | #
|
Was just about to link to that Grauniad article. Some really really depressing stuff in there. I'm half-British and I've lived here for most of my life, but I've never felt as foreign as I do today.
Others can make the point that we don't know who "they" are when people say "send them back" - personally I feel very much as though I'm one of "them" regardless. I love London but I'm pretty sure I won't still be a UK resident by the end of this year.
Leo | 26.06.16 - 4:06 p.m. | #
|
I've seen endless comments about this Brexit thing being a right-wing racist phenomenon but I disagree.
As basically leftie liberal personally, but I voted Brexit because the governments of all colours have been ignoring the constant plea to reduce immigration to sensible levels.
Immigrant waves of the past, Huguenot, Jewish, Irish and so on were far more modest in scale which allowed the newcomers a chance to adapt to our British culture, whilst keeping their own intact. Sadly there are parts of London where local culture has been entirely obliterated. No culture in the world would be happy to allow that. Would Polish people be happy if Warsaw became so un-Polish nobody spoke the language or knew about the history, customs or attitudes of the host? Protecting our identity is not being racist - it is simply protecting our Britishness. When Labour acknowledges that again, we will have a Labour Government with a whacking majority.
Alex McKenna | 26.06.16 - 4:40 p.m. | #
|
I don't like this "people are welcome to come here so long as they assimilate". How much assimilation to the ways of the local people did Europeans do when they went to America, Africa or Australia?
If British culture is worth anything, then it is worth taking up by anyone who chooses to. But if certain parts of it (such as a tendency to drink beer to excess) happen to die out, that may be because they were not very wonderful in the first place.
Malcolm | 26.06.16 - 5:00 p.m. | #
|
"Protecting our identity is not being racist - it is simply protecting our Britishness."
Your 'Britishness' seems to be based on 'local culture' - whatever that means.
Round here local culture is a melting pot of many nationalities and influences. Culture arises from the people who live in an area. It is not prescribed by people who believe The Pub Landlord is real.
Based on what you have written, your 'Britishness' doesn't seem terribly appealing and I would suggest that your 'leftie liberal'-ness may need some fine tuning to remove the fascist lowlights that appear to have crept in.
Your 'Britishness' is not my Britishness.
drD | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 5:13 p.m. | #
|
"I don't like this "people are welcome to come here so long as they assimilate". How much assimilation to the ways of the local people did Europeans do when they went to America, Africa or Australia? "
Exactly. Or the 'Britification' of the Costa Del Sol by 'Expats'.
drD | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 5:14 p.m. | #
|
|
Nothing in that post inconsistent with liberalism. DG never said the man shouldn't be allowed to express his view. He merely added his own freely spoken opinion to it. It's all too common to confuse criticising a view - the exercise of free speech - with seeking to ban that view - the suppression of free speech.
Sarah | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 7:40 p.m. | #
|
There are certain views which it is legal to hold, but not legal to express in public. Incitement to violence against foreigners, for instance. DG is certainly not claiming that this man's T-shirt is definitely illegal in that respect, (nor is anyone else as far as I know). The crude anti-Polish cards mentioned on the BBC as appearing in Huntingdon definitely are illegal. (Though their appearance on Brexit day may be a co-incidence).
But I think DG is suggesting that the T-shirt might be tending in that direction - by discussing whether or not nearby police officers could see it, for instance.
Malcolm | 26.06.16 - 8:46 p.m. | #
|
|
The photo has also made it to main German TV news. Screenshot of the screenshot they took from Twitter (funny what passes for news these days…) at 58 seconds of "Heute Journal" on public broadcaster ZDF during half time of the game Hungary vs. Belgium on Jun 26th 2016. Show will be on their YouTube channel by tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4-9dEJjA01Clty590DaJnA
lndntrfc | Homepage | 26.06.16 - 11:02 p.m. | #
|
|
I fear. Greatly.
Uncle Audrey | 27.06.16 - 8:50 a.m. | #
|
|
Why am I so fearfully reminded of Germany around 1933? Little shouty man with no elected position slides into prominence... I've been terrified since waking up on Friday morning.
Joel | 27.06.16 - 11:48 a.m. | #
|
|
Photo - or just a cropped shot of the man - used in an article in today's Times [Poles and Muslims are targeted amid sudden rise in hate crime]. It's not credited, the caption just says evidence of a racist surge emerged on Twitter.
| 27.06.16 - 12:12 p.m. | #
|
As LukeT notes, he's visible in the first photo, with a white shirt on. It rather looks to me like he's bought the one with the slogan; he seems to be carrying the white shirt in his carrier bag there.
So. Is somewhere in the market there selling these?
James | 27.06.16 - 1:24 p.m. | #
|
Well spotted to the two people who noticed t-shirt man in the first photo I tweeted.
He's wearing a white buttoned-up shirt at the very start of the parade, which is later removed to reveal the t-shirt beneath. He wouldn't have had any time to buy it inbetween.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 27.06.16 - 4:57 p.m. | #
|
Hi DG. Thought you might like to know that your photo has made it - with attribution (sort of) into this CBC online article:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brexit-passports-citizenship-expats-1.3654960
martin | 28.06.16 - 12:49 p.m. | #
|
Being picked up in a lot of places in the UK and overseas, perhaps due to the Associated Press: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dd4daabdb8294b55a313291cf91e00c1/intolerant-acts-surge-british-referendum-result-sinks
Including The Sun, who credit the photo to AP, despite AP giving proper attribution to DG.
Andrew | 28.06.16 - 11:09 p.m. | #
|
This is what I call Brexshit Britain. The campaigning was mainly bull- and all we got was Brexshit.
I am very much an optimist by nature, and I dare say that things may be fine... in about 10 years time. I'm not looking forward to all the Brexshit machinations in the meantime.
NickW | 29.06.16 - 1:24 a.m. | #
|
|
The outpouring of things like this, Hammersmith Polish Centre, Manchester tram abuse, etc in the last few days has convinced me that I want no further part of this place. Growing up I always thought I lived in a tolerant, pluralistic, outward-looking country, since this is plainly no longer true, I'm looking for a job abroad with urgency. These people are welcome to this place, with its worthless pound, crashed stock market, poor credit rating, dwindling foreign investment (and that's all just after three days!) to go with the ugly racism stirred up by moronic little hypocrites like Mr French Name, German Wife, but Europeans Are Bad and co.
| 29.06.16 - 2:12 a.m. | #
|
Now you've even inspired a set piece...
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/ng-interactive/2017/jun/19/brexit-shorts-just-a-tshirt-meera-syal-video
dg writes: Blimey!
None | 26.06.17 - 11:21 p.m. | #
|
|
|
TridentScan v2.10.0 | Privacy Policy
|
