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Gosh, two planning meetings and you've wised up (cf yesterday). Fast learning

When you think of how much money and time has to be spent on these futile exercises, which rarely affect the outcome, it is truly galling.

Quite agree about public consultations. Although of course if somebody comes up with a brilliant suggestion it won't be ignored. Pity so very few people do.

Or you can attend public consulatations like me - I go with a definite end in mind and make sure I speak to the most senior representative present. It doesn't make any difference that they all resort to bluster and other tactics to get me off their tail. We all know these aren't consultations anyway - they're just publicity stunts. I will continue doing what I do until the proper name is appled to them or a proper consulatation process is introduced.

Well done DG, if there were more like you perhaps we could see some real change.

Civic engagement is important, the sheeple bleat about not having thier views taken seriously but signally fail to engage.

BTW If there were queues snaking down the street waiting to get into said consultation these events wouldn't be mere box ticking excercises...

My excuse? time, kids, yadda yadda, I do care though and thank you for attending as a fellow engaged Londoner.


There was an item in the news just the other day about how the modernisation of the gasometers at a defunct gasworks over at Kings Cross, had won a major design award.

There are, of course, other gasometers (listed ones, at that) to be given a new purpose, over by the river Lea.

I think it's a fair assumption the planners for the Lea Valley redevelopment will make an equally nice job of whatever they mean to do. (Which is to say, it seems there's little or no reason for the rest of us to have to bother ourselves about what they're doing, because whatever it will be will obviously be great)

What's to worry about, in terms of what could go wrong? I mean, hey, those design awards are probably already in the bag

I also went along yesterday and it was my third vist to that building, although my two previous visit's have been for what were advertised as "Update Meetings for local residents", and usually last no more than a couple of hours at the most, I go along partly for the trays of salmon delicacies that are normally dotted all around the room so I was a little dissapointed when I realised that no food was on offer, I expect that as the usual turn out for the update meetings are on average attended by about thirty people who receive an invitation that requests you to confirm your attendence they feel more confident as to the expected turnout.

I love that ...smooth out the broken pavements in Wick Lane ....Until the next 44 tonner parks on it

Oh my goodness, it's this on the other side of the Atlantic, as well. The minority opinion, of a minority of populace, in really small episodes of opinion, "inform" the policy makers. Can't get the folks off the sofa until the bulldozers are changing the landscape.

"The law requires that all applications for planning permission should be decided in accordance with the policies of the "development plan" – unless material planning considerations indicate otherwise. The decision on any planning application is therefore "policy-led" rather than "influence-led". Although the public and nearby residents will be consulted about almost any planning application, the decision will not be made on the grounds of popularity or unpopularity. The framing of the decision by reference to published planning policy prevents the decision on a planning application being made on grounds which are arbitrary, perverse, or subject to impropriety."

Worth remembering as a reason why local residents and stakeholders are consulted but do not always influence the decision. Often though they can bring about mitigation measures to address specific issues. So the public rarely torpedo a planning application, but can influence the changing of some elements of the proposal.

The quote above is taken from the wikipedia article below.

"The allotments will be back. There'll be more than there were before, and in two chunks (one up to the north and one down to the south)."

Oh yeah, really? Or is the current version of the truth that, "the Eton Manor allotment site has been shrunk down to 1.2ha, the southern site is 0.9ha making 2.1ha, same as the old site. So not more provision. Especially if you deduct doubled up community areas/paths etc."

I did specifically ask the consultation bloke about allotments, and he did specifically say that the final area of allotments would be greater. Eventually, that is, after Crossrail's finished mucking around near Pudding Mill Lane.

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