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I happened to be passing through West Ealing on Tuesday morning and saw a Chiltern train pull in. It was only later it occurred to me that there was something odd about that. Turns out that the train runs every weekday (at least until the timetable chan ge this weekend), but only carries (carried!) passengers on Wednesdays.
Timbo | 08.12.22 - 7:35 a.m. | #
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I believe the grammatical pecularity stems from the 'correct' (i.e. made up in the 19th century and pushed by pedants) conjugation of the future tense, in which I/we shall, you/he/she/it/they will. The announcers have unaccountably not been paying attention to this rule.
Apparently the opposite conjugation signifies(/-d) determination. My school English teacher told us a hilarious joke about someone drowning, who yelled out "I will drown, you shall not save me", and so was left to his own devices.
Ed S | 08.12.22 - 8:30 a.m. | #
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I'm always amazed they haven't found a way to put an escalator into Holloway Road. You can pretty much *see* the top of the stairs from the bottom of the spiral!
Chz | 08.12.22 - 8:39 a.m. | #
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Reading that Overground leaflet highlights exactly why there should be no more expansion of DOO operation. (Interestingly in the same week that number 10 kyboshed any hope of a deal with the RMT and TOCs by inserting a condition of DOO implementation across the ENTIRE passenger railway at the eleventh hour) (amazingly correctly reported in the Telegraph of all places)
Joe | 08.12.22 - 8:45 a.m. | #
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Works on new lifts at Holloway Road (not escalators) are due to start in spring 2023.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 08.12.22 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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Looks as if TFL could save some money by using Open Street Map, and maybe put some of the savings into improving it.
Tony | 08.12.22 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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I don't recall being in any other Underground lift without a button to press inside it. I always had the impression that you needed to press it to make the lift work, but will test "not pressing" next time!
Mikey C | 08.12.22 - 9:11 a.m. | #
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I enjoyed the cul-de-sac.
Joho | Homepage | 08.12.22 - 9:34 a.m. | #
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Regarding the battery train trial. Was it planned to be VivaRail providing the trains? If so they have just gone into administration. I believe the Marston Vale line that was also trialling them has reverted to bus replacement service.
John G | 08.12.22 - 9:40 a.m. | #
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The "shall" is a command, and it signifies that the disembodied voice does not have direct control over the lifts, but needs to keep them in order and stop them squabbling.
HTFB | 08.12.22 - 9:59 a.m. | #
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Listening to the lift announcements some years ago and hearing (if I recall correctly) both versions at the same station I surmised that ‘will’ meant the next lift and ‘shall’ meant the one after that, with the ‘next’ stressed a little more on the latter, but I’m probably wrong
Stephen | 08.12.22 - 10:04 a.m. | #
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I use Google maps exclusively, as you are already there to see street level directions.
I only go to Journey Planner now if there's a problem with the former!
Cornish Cockney | 08.12.22 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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Leaflets are cheaper than actually stopping an unsafe DOO system from trapping passengers in doors, it seems!
Causton | 08.12.22 - 11:14 a.m. | #
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Rail news - a small fleet of non-standard trains overseen by the DfT, nothing can go wrong.
Still Anon | 08.12.22 - 11:30 a.m. | #
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Re Ed S's "I will drown, you shall not save me", perhaps it was the same Mr Parker who taught me.
strawbrick | 08.12.22 - 12:13 p.m. | #
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Some more posts about kittens would be nice :)
Debster | 08.12.22 - 12:36 p.m. | #
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John G -Yes it was. There is evidence at West Ealing of recent work to install cabling (or at least the concrete trunkibng for it), but no activity when I was there on Tuesday.
The Marston Vale Line trains are diesel, not battery. Bustitution is happening there because Vivarail maintained the trains, and the maintenance staff have had to be laid off as there is bno money to pay them. LNWR no longer have any other trains short enough to fit some of the platforms on that line (or drivers still qualified to drive them).
Timbo | 08.12.22 - 12:42 p.m. | #
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Responding to the OpenStreetMap suggestion in the comments...
The cost savings of switching to OpenStreetMap may not be as big as people expect, unless you self-host -- as the hosting providers still charges for serving OpenStreetMap tiles etc - and depending on the configuration, OSM can even be more expensive.
The engineering work in IT terms to switch from Google to OSM may be so high as to render any modest savings not worth the hassle.
Ian | 08.12.22 - 1:04 p.m. | #
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If I recall correctly, transport agencies must pay to have their logos featured on Google Maps, rather than just the generic train station symbol, and that's why not all systems have unique symbols. Same would apply for the National Rail double arrows. I can't find a source for this, though.
To put it slightly in perspective, Uber paid nearly $20 million a year for Google Maps.
Ted | 08.12.22 - 1:58 p.m. | #
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I detect a classic Diamond Geezer tease here. A veritable cascade of Mitcham cul-de-sacs will follow, as night follows day. Bring it on...
cau1khead | 08.12.22 - 5:12 p.m. | #
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My guess of that "hell" question us that TfL actually paid Google to do the bus maps as well and since Google is from a country with garbage public transportation they ended up giving out garbage maps.
Patrickov | 08.12.22 - 5:26 p.m. | #
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The Google fee will be for embedding their maps in the TfL website, which they are in various places.
The doubling could just as easily be explained by Google increasing their fees. Which they can do on a whim, since they know their customers can't switch overnight.
Mobile apps generally get basic mapping for free.
Graham | 08.12.22 - 9:41 p.m. | #
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I've noticed a difference between Irish and British English in the use of "shall and will". British English requires "shall" if asking for an opinion "Shall I go over there?" - - if merely a prediction it's "will". In Irish English this seems to be reversed.
cau1khead | 09.12.22 - 11:23 a.m. | #
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I have just confirmed, in front of an audience of eight numpties, that the lift at Lancaster Gate neds its (exterior) button pressed.
Meanwhile nobody yet has an answer to why some lifts say 'shall' and others say 'will'.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 09.12.22 - 2:08 p.m. | #
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A few years ago at Shadwell, the lift to the then East London Line, needed the button inside pressed.
turi | 11.12.22 - 8:42 a.m. | #
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Shall/will - the script was probably written by different people at different times. One person knew the 'simple/determined' difference and the other didn't.
Trevor S | 11.12.22 - 9:39 a.m. | #
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