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One Briton in 1700 dead (of), not infected, surely?
dg writes: Never risk a ‘surely’.
Concerned | 14.06.20 - 6:56 a.m. | #
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One thing we've had back now for a few weeks now is the ice cream van, I omitted to mention this earlier as it doesn't sell alcohol, so is of little use to me.
Nearly everything is shut and the economy is 20% smaller, what would have been without the furlough scheme?
FTSE - I loved the comment that first appeared back in April on Reddit/Tik Tok/Twitter (delete as appropriate), that 'The stock market is a graph of rich people's feelings'.
Still Anon | 14.06.20 - 7:41 a.m. | #
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Concerned: the ONS said “Our latest estimates indicate that at any given time during the two weeks from 25 May to 7 June 2020, an average of 33,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% confidence interval: 14,000 to 68,000). This equates to 0.06% (95% confidence interval: 0.02% to 0.12%) of the population in England or around 1 in 1,700.”
That is just in England, which accounts for about 80% of the population of the UK. The figures for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland might well be different.
The key words there are “at any given time”. The total number who have been infected at any time is much greater.
Andrew | 14.06.20 - 9:39 a.m. | #
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Andrew, thank you. I was struggling to see how a UK population of 67,868,549 (latest UN estimate) could have 41,662 deaths (1 in 1629) and 294,375 cases (1 in 230) yet an infection rate of only 1 in 1700. Just goes to show you need to compare like with like but also say which like you are looking at. (Does "Britons" mean people in England - or people in the UK - or citizens in the UK - or citizens worldwide?) One other interesting point is that the worldwide fatality rate among cases seems to be 1 in 17, but in the UK 1 in 7, which is either true (and therefore a cause for concern here) or false (perhaps because there isn't a coherent worldwide data gathering system).
Ian | 14.06.20 - 9:53 a.m. | #
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The number of global cases seems to be ticking up which is worrying especially as its now hitting hard countries with far fewer resources to cope with the outbreak
Kutgw | 14.06.20 - 9:53 a.m. | #
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So this country has nearly 10% of the total number of worldwide deaths? How? Why?
Can it really all be due to 'delayed time of lockdown'?
Are there things we are not learning about effective treatment from other countries?
Blue Witch | Homepage | 14.06.20 - 10:09 a.m. | #
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From the end of April until last week the UK had more than 10% of the total number of worldwide deaths.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 14.06.20 - 10:15 a.m. | #
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Has it been easy or hard choosing your support bubble? Got to be BM hadn’t it?
David | 14.06.20 - 10:21 a.m. | #
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What I find interesting about Covid in the UK is that the impact seems pretty spread out. While London has been especially badly hit many areas in the SE (Hampshire, Kent), midlands (Birmingham), Wales, North (Sheffield, Cumbria) have had high numbers of deaths. This contrasts with other counties where the impact has been concentrated in particular cities or region e.g Lombardy, Madrid, NYC, Paris.
David | 14.06.20 - 10:29 a.m. | #
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Test and Trace system 'not fit for purpose'
Has not been for weeks. Might have been better to ask S Korea for their system months ago, rather than developing a 'world beating system' that has clearly failed to deliver.
"earlier lockdown would have halved death toll"
Unprovable speculation from scientists who have been wide of the mark with much of their modelling in this and previous epidemics like SARS.
scrumpy | 14.06.20 - 10:56 a.m. | #
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But I still come back to why we have 10% of world deaths.
Irrespective of time of lockdown and track and trace (or not), our death rate is huge.
We have universal free healtchcare (unlike most other countries).
That suggests to me that it's the treatment being given that is wrong.
And the regional things - is there any data on number of hospital admissions for CV-19 cf numbers who die in each hospital? (yes of course there are IVs - other demographics in each area - but let's just look at the DVs of admission and death for now).
Blue Witch | Homepage | 14.06.20 - 11:05 a.m. | #
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The number of worldwide cases ticking up is also concerning as pressure from the airline and tourism lobbyists to resume international travel continues to ramp up.
I read that most of C-19 in the UK came from some 20,000 people arriving daily from abroad during March.
Resuming international travel remains my biggest concern for future waves.
Cornish Cockney | 14.06.20 - 11:56 a.m. | #
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"Still Anon", I'm glad we're all rich then!
All working people in the UK now have to have some kind of occupational pension. A large proportion of the funds generated from all working people will be invested directly or indirectly in the FTSE. So it's a graph of all our feelings!!!
MikeK | 14.06.20 - 1:33 p.m. | #
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Not quite all working people. No occupational pension for:
Those who have opted out.
Those who do not earn the minimum in a single job.
Some of those who are self-employed.
Those who are part of the "informal economy".
Those who work but are not paid (e.g. homemakers).
There may be others.
Malcolm | 14.06.20 - 3:29 p.m. | #
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News extra: Aladdin's Cave on Loampit Hill is open - going past and seeing that gave a brief illusion of the world feeling just that little bit more normal again.
It was gratifying to see well organised groups of young people doing proper sports practice in a couple of parks along the way too. We are inching our way into 'new normal', whether it be premature or not.
NickW | 14.06.20 - 5:33 p.m. | #
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Malcolm, you are right, I shouldn't have used "all", just the majority. Although your list includes the self-employed, which is a large category; I am gusessing (no data to hand), that the majority of these will have made a private pension provision, which puts them in the same position as the employed.
Anyway, as you may have guessed, my main point is that it is not just "rich people" who are affected by movements in the the stock exchanges.
MikeK | 14.06.20 - 6:42 p.m. | #
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While Britain might appear to be a 'rich' country, our death toll has revealed huge inequalities among the health and welfare of its people, that the present governing party seems to have no interest in remedying.
ActonMan | 14.06.20 - 7:22 p.m. | #
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I'm not sure our death rate reveals that much about financial inequalities, it probably says a lot about the general healthiness of the nation though...
Mikey C | 15.06.20 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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