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We assume if the off-peak cap is scrapped then people travelling at the weekend pay significantly more with the new fares. Those who would only have made one journey each way on two weekdays so don't hit any cap but go off exploring at weekends making multiple weekend journeys will be worse off with the higher single cap.
All this sort of thing does is to encourage me to make more journeys in Z1 - if I travel by TfL at all. If I know where to park, it will become cheaper to drive into London on Sundays.

I now need to plan whether to take TfL within Z1-2 only (unlimited), or to minimise the number of journeys within Z2-6 where it will still cost £1.

That reminds me, there will also be no more railcard discounts if the caps are peak (except for disabled railcards which get discounts all day), meaning that my £5.60 cap for Z1-6 on Sunday more or less doubles.
using the tube regularly is a rip off. just get a cheap moped or cycle.
There seems to be a conflict between some of the documents issued yesterday. On the fare tables (Annex A5) in the Mayoral Decision there is a footnote saying the Z19 off peak cap increases to £11.80 so it's possible there is not the massive leap to £20 for off peak travel.

I fully accept the other pdf says all off peak caps are withdrawn. Let's hope there is a clarification from TfL.
No no DG, if you live in outer London, the mayor can do what he likes with your fares *because* you don't directly elect him, not even though you don't directly elect him! Mind you, living in Z2 I'm perfectly happy with that arrangement.

While the price to us never went up at point of use under Ken, how much did Labour's beloved and disastrous PPP cost every precept and income tax payer?
I hate that phrase "frozen in real terms". Whenever I hear those three words "in real terms" it means I can discard whatever was said before or after as false. This is the case here, the fares are not frozen! I appreciate they are probably meaning "taking into account inflation", but then they should say that!

As to the fare changes I'm concerned about the off peak caps. I live not far outside London, but out of the Oyster zone. So trips to London are generally either in the week (and one expenses, so the fares don't bother me) or at the weekend, when I always buy a one day travelcard with a Network Railcard. This is of course on paper, since there is no other option. If the off peak travelcards are withdrawn (and railcard discounts), I wonder how much that fare is going to go up. Will probably become cheaper to just buy a return to London Terminals and use an Oyster card for other journies in Zone 1. Will be more difficult going further out, but might well be cheaper and quicker to drive.
I _thought_ I'd heard on the news last night that the off peak cap was being scrapped, but thought I'd misheard! Sadly it seems I hadn't!

Only 8 years to go until I get my Freedom Pass then, but what's the betting that will have been scrapped by then too!
It's got more remote for a slice of the population, since the qualifying age is in the process of rising from 60 to 66 (though the Mayor offers a 60+ Oyster Pass to bridge the gap from 60).

Freedom Pass is funded by whichever London borough you live in, and since government funding to councils is likely to fall further, it's possible that some councils could withdraw the Freedom Pass to new applicants - which would be less politically damaging than scrapping it altogether. Or it could become means-tested. Or it could fall in line with the rest of the country and be buses-only. Currently, it's a bargain.
Is there any daily price cap for Z2-3?
Like Jon Combe, I was wondering on the potential effect of scrapping the off peak cap for those of us who live outside London but occasionally come in at the weekend on the train, using a paper travelcard. Does anyone know?
How odd for a Conservative mayor to present a package that (generally) reduces fare caps in inner London and substantially increases them in Outer London / Herts / Essex.
He's obviously not nervous about being defeated in Uxbridge (Zone 6), then.....
This is a really invaluable service, DG - don't know what I'd do without it!
What seems very little known is that holders of certain National Railcards - 16-25, Senior, HM Forces etc - have been able to get a third off the prices of Oyster off-peak travelcard fares since the beginning of 2008. It meant that for someone like me (16-25) travelling from Zone 1-3, an Oyster travelcard shot down in price from £5.20 in 2007 to £3.50 in 2008, which meant that I was paying the same as what the standard adult price was back in 1996!

To my relief, the off-peak travelcard despite being withdrawn officially is being retained for Railcard holders in 2015. Here are the Zone 1-3 discounted fares since introduction, which until 2015 were identical to Zone 1-4:

2008: £3.50
2009: £3.80
2010: £4.15
2011: £4.80
2012: £5.10
2013: £5.10
2014: £5.10
2015: £4.95

A quite astonishing rapid increase in Boris's first few years, but note the freeze since 2012 and then, amazingly, the drop in 2015 to the lowest level in four years. It's always been something mentioned in very small print on both the TFL and Railcard websites but it's saved me hundreds if not thousands over the last six (almost seven) years.










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