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The nearest cycle hire docking station to St Paul's Cray is over 8 miles away, at the north side of the Greenwich foot tunnel.
(The nearest McDonald's it's just a mile away)
martin | 16.08.17 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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I think it's N98 not N198.
And R1 at St Mary Cray.
dg writes: I think so too, thanks.
Robert Butlin | 16.08.17 - 7:29 a.m. | #
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I'm confused as to the purpose of these letters. I understand the use of bus stop letters at busy locations - Bus Stop A, B, C, etc. - but how and why do you get to Bus Stop DG..?
Frank F | 16.08.17 - 7:35 a.m. | #
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Wow, for one brief moment I thought that bus stops had their own Designer Generated post codes. Most useful!
To the resident expert on this matter, just what is the chance of playing post code / bus stop snap, and winning.
Ken | 16.08.17 - 7:49 a.m. | #
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The proliferation is down to localised 'you are here' maps on bus shelters (which seem to have vanished), and spider maps (which seem to have replaced them), this resulted in far more stops gaining letters, in several areas spider maps overlap each other, so to avoid confusion you end up with two letter codes.
They used to have letter/number combinations like X1, X2, X3 etc. - but this caused potential confusion with real bus or non TfL coach routes.
Still anon | 16.08.17 - 7:50 a.m. | #
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I just love the idea that the collective noun for a large group of slightly menacing teenagers is a herd. Wonderful images spring to mind of them lurking on the veldt scaring lions and elephants. Thank you DG, you cheered up my morning. And I used to live, in a nurses home, on Dulwich Common, so Dulwich Park and Library were regular haunts. Thanks also for the memories!
Christine | 16.08.17 - 7:58 a.m. | #
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Ah, the Bromley Court Hotel, host to the Bromel Club in the sixties. Not just Bowie, Hendrix and Floyd, but also The Graham Bond Organisation who played rhythm'n'blues - Graham (Hammond organ and alto sax, sometimes simultaniously), Dick Heckstall-Smith (tenor sax), Jack Bruce (bass) and Ginger Baker (drums). The latter two went on to form Cream with Eric Clapton.
I saw the GBO at the Bromel and, since I didn't have a car then, I must have gone by bus and alighted at the stop that is now DG.
RayL | 16.08.17 - 7:59 a.m. | #
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The original destination at the end of Barry Road was not Dulwich Library but Dulwich Plough, after the pub of that name on the opposite corner of the crossroads. That worked perfectly well until new owners of the pub decided that the Goose and Granite would be a better name. Not surprisingly, TfL balked at putting that on a destination blind, so cast around for something else to call the location instead - with the library as the obvious candidate.
In due course, sanity prevailed, and the pub has been called the Plough again for years. Sadly though, TfL has never followed suit - so the buses go soberly to the library instead.
marek | 16.08.17 - 8:25 a.m. | #
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"the bus stops have been built out into the road"
Where I'm from, transport geeks call it negative bay (translated). There must be an English term surely.
Greg S | 16.08.17 - 8:43 a.m. | #
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Am I making this up, or is that sort of "negative bay" called a "stand out"?
Andrew | 16.08.17 - 8:53 a.m. | #
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I used the 302 from bus stop DG near Dollis Hill station for a couple of years, while returning home to Kensal Rise from work in the Croxley area via Wembley Park and Dollis Hill. Happy days! At that time I was ignorant of this blog so wouldn't have noticed the relevance of DG on the bus stop anyway. But thanks for the memory!
Huw B | 16.08.17 - 9:22 a.m. | #
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Hi DG,
Great post, and re. the Bromley Court Hotel, I was at a wedding reception there last year and can confirm the gardens are stunning, you would not believe you are in surburbia!
Mitch | 16.08.17 - 9:51 a.m. | #
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Sounds like the Verge Apartments are aimed at overseas investors, who won't see, and won't care what the area is actually like.
Looking at maps of who owns property and where it's held is quite an eye-opener.
I saw one recently in which the majority of properties highlighted in my area town centre (and even individual properties in residential roads) were held in tax havens by both domestic and foreign owners alike!
Cornish Cockney | 16.08.17 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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According to TFL's 'Accessible bus stop design guidance', where the stops have been built out into the road they are called 'bus boarders'.
Sed | 16.08.17 - 10:32 a.m. | #
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What a great post. How on earth did you locate these in the first place?
CafeStop | 16.08.17 - 10:52 a.m. | #
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How can you be sure that the yoof hanging around in Kingsman Parade weren't there to welcome you? "Hey Mister! Aren't you that dude who writes about bus stops? Respect!"
Charles | Homepage | 16.08.17 - 11:29 a.m. | #
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mmm...i wonder who suggested doing this?
Grumpy Anon | 16.08.17 - 11:31 a.m. | #
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Pure coincidence that the postcode for the Dollis Hill DG stop's location is NW10 1DG. You were that way a few months back as I recall you mentioning the new flats opposite the Jubilee line station at the site of the Grunwick dispute.
Tim | 16.08.17 - 11:39 a.m. | #
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The Dulwich stop is about 600 metres from my first house - unfortunately I left when was 6 months old so can add nothing useful to the conversation!
whiff | 16.08.17 - 12:03 p.m. | #
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@Marek; there've been other Goose and Granite pubs in London, and possibly elsewhere, so it may be part of a chain. The one I know best, in Walthamstow, has now been renamed The Goose.
amber | 16.08.17 - 12:22 p.m. | #
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But how did you find out how many DGs there were and where they were? Not that I plan to look for my initials, oh no.....
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Sir Charles Long, 1st (and only) Baron Farnborough of the first creation, “of Bromley-Hill-Place” aka Bromley Court Hotel, where Long hosted negotiations between his friend William Pitt the Younger and prime minister Henry Addington. Farnborough as in Bromley/Kent.
Not to be confused with the 1st (and only) Baron Farnborough of the second creation, aka (Sir Thomas) Erskine May, Clerk of the House of Commons and codifier of parliamentary procedure, ennobled a week before his death (“the second-shortest-lived peerage in British history”). Farnborough as in Hampshire.
Is there anywhere in Bromley with a unique placename?!
Rich G | 16.08.17 - 1:45 p.m. | #
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The bus blinds may all say Dulwich Library now, but there are still two bus stops called "Dulwich, The Plough". Sadly they're lettered DA and DM rather than DG.
Leo | 16.08.17 - 3:00 p.m. | #
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Nah. These are not destined for oversea investors. You maybe surprised , but people plannig to plop down a few hundred thousand pounds are not ignorant rubes. Overseas purchases are concentrated to developments along the Thames and Central London. Besides it's only a block of less than 8 flats, no one will be sending a marketing team to Hong Kong and Singapore for this.
It's the mega schemes of a few hundred units often by the big developers such as Berkeley and Galliard.
rational plan | 16.08.17 - 3:21 p.m. | #
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It's just the standard marketing bullshit, that is trying to convince buyers they are getting into the ground floor of the latest gentrified neighbourhood. Who knows it might happen, what with Old Oak Common down the road, but full build out is 20 years away and it's fingers crossed to see if it spreads beyond that.
rational plan | 16.08.17 - 3:25 p.m. | #
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Well,DG.,bus stops named after you,eh?
In an idle moment,I searched for 'my' bus stop and you could've knocked me down wiv a fevva when I found one in St.James Road,Bermondsey,not 'alf a mile from where I wuz born. Cor,fame at last! 😉
Jo W | 16.08.17 - 4:04 p.m. | #
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DG Thanks for being so nice re the correction above. I do my best to keep the tone up re corrections, because I know that if I ever were to write something it would be full of them.
Robert
Robert Butlin | 16.08.17 - 5:11 p.m. | #
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Where does my list of bus stops come from?
The spreadsheet in this Freedom of Information request.
The letters are in Column I - Point Letter.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.08.17 - 5:13 p.m. | #
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Regular posters will realise this comment is not about bus stops.
Jimmy | 16.08.17 - 6:03 p.m. | #
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A special message to The People Who Choose Point Letters for Bus Stops
It's jolly confusing for two consecutive bus stops on the same route to have the same Point Letter 'M'. It must surely be the only example.
So to avoid any ambiguity, it's high time that Bow Church's legendary Bus Stop M (Stop ID: 55457) was renamed Bus Stop DG !
Gerry | 16.08.17 - 6:42 p.m. | #
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Until well after the war both bus and tram destination displays showed Dulwich Library, and the point was defined on the bus map as Library until the January 1951 edition, changing to Plough from the 1952 edition, From memory I think the tram replacement 176A showed Plough from the start in October 1951, and the blinds for the 12 & 78 changed over gradually at that period. The reversion to the Library again is more recent.
3078260061 | 16.08.17 - 8:23 p.m. | #
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I know exactly where the Woolwich stop is and you were quite right to not explore.
You may well have noticed special poles with video cameras sprinkled around the area.
They do not act as a deterrent....
Chris | 16.08.17 - 9:31 p.m. | #
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Nice description of the hobgoblin area, but I am slightly puzzled how one can avoid falling acorns. Can they be seen, and their trajectories calculated, in time to deviate? If they can, it would save a lot of bother if Chicken Licken could be taught this vital skill.
Malcolm | 16.08.17 - 10:42 p.m. | #
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