please empty your brain below
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At this point I'm wondering whether flinging myself down the bus stairs and thence to hospital would either contribute to statistics saying that the trial doesn't work, or would help their case to play more stupid messages.
Gav | 26.01.18 - 6:25 a.m. | #
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When you consider that in a private vehicle, everyone has to be seatbelted in by law, standing in a potentially fast moving vehicle, complete with staircase, can only be a dangerous anachronism.
If TfL ready wanted to cut accidents, it would abolish standing passengers and introduce seatbelts (not lap belts).
How much would implementing these cost? Barking instructions at passengers expected to do something inherently dangerous is so much cheaper.
Max Roberts | 26.01.18 - 6:38 a.m. | #
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It was still the old message on the 422 yesterday.
About to find out if the change has made it south of the river overnight.
dg writes: The update starts today.
Chris | 26.01.18 - 7:57 a.m. | #
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It would seem that at least TfL are listening to the comments; fingers crossed that they do something more sensible!
Sadly, London Nortwestern trains also have a new announcement, played at most stations (or should that be station stops) on the lines of "If you have a push-chair, please get off first and take the push-chair off backwards". Hear it once and you think "Good Idea", but to hear it every day at every station from Milton Keynes to Euston must be dire!
strawbrick | 26.01.18 - 7:58 a.m. | #
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I say again ...
Ding, Ding hold tight
PJS | 26.01.18 - 8:10 a.m. | #
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Don't see anything about endless inane messages in this
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/Onlinepubs/trr/1994/1433/1433-006.pdf
dg writes: Obviously not. Electronic on-board messaging services weren't around in 1994.
Max Roberts | 26.01.18 - 8:12 a.m. | #
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Random fluctuations would mean 60 +/- 8
Mike D | 26.01.18 - 8:16 a.m. | #
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I caught both a 277 and a D3 bus to work this morning and neither featured any announcement regarding holding on.
dg writes: Twitter confirms that this new message is out there.
Gordon | 26.01.18 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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The announcements needn't have been electronic, I'm sure that if the authors had thought that audible warnings might have helped, they would have suggested them!
Max Roberts | 26.01.18 - 8:41 a.m. | #
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just as well they have changed the message. I was on a bus on Tuesday the message played about being about to move and then all the lights went off and the engine and all the bus's software stopped working and we failed to move for 5 minutes (they couldn't even open the doors to let us off)
peewit | 26.01.18 - 9:34 a.m. | #
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They should repeat the message in foreign languages to avoid tourists falling over and make them much louder too for the hard of hearing. Oh and provide disposable gloves so we don't pick up any germs.
Tony | 26.01.18 - 10:22 a.m. | #
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I had Gordon's experience. No 'hold on' announcements at all on the 422. Will be on different buses later so we shall see what they have or don't have.
Chris | 26.01.18 - 11:26 a.m. | #
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Shot noise would give the square root of 60 or about +/- 8 as one standard deviation, but a random sample would fall outside that range about a third of the time. You'd want +/- 16 for two standard deviations and 95% confidence, or +/- 24 for three and 99%. Particle physicists tend to want 5-sigma.
I wonder how variable it is anyway. The monthly average may be 60, but what are the actual monthly numbers over the last year or two? Between 50 and 70, or between 30 and 90?
dg writes: The weekly average is 60. TfL only release monthly figures, but they typically show a 10% variance from the mean.
Andrew | 26.01.18 - 12:35 p.m. | #
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When I headed out at 10.45am I was disappointed to hear the old message, but returning at 12.15pm it was the new one. Maybe they switched over at midday?
Cornish Cockney | 26.01.18 - 1:57 p.m. | #
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I still don't understand why they didn't quietly try this out on one route (or even one bus) first to iron out the all-too-predictable glitches with timing etc, and only then start a proper large-scale trial. The stats on its effectiveness so far will be worthless because parameters keep changing.
Andrew S | 26.01.18 - 3:33 p.m. | #
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Given how few passengers have accidents on buses, a trial based on just one route wouldn't have gathered any meaningful data - it had to be all of them.
I'm also guessing that whoever rolled out the trial assumed the message was just fine.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 26.01.18 - 3:38 p.m. | #
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the new message was playing on a number 8 bus at about 12.15 today, I much prefer it to the previous message
amber | 26.01.18 - 4:14 p.m. | #
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“Hold very tight please! Ting-ting!”
Brinley Davies | 26.01.18 - 6:47 p.m. | #
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The Sheffield trams do indeed say 'hold tight please' and they manage to do it just as they are about to start moving. They also have a man (or woman) who comes round saying 'any more fares please'. It's better up north!
Sarah | Homepage | 27.01.18 - 3:37 p.m. | #
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I can't help but wonder whether this is less about safety and more to do with conditioning passengers and drivers to a more standard length of stop.
When the announcement happens and the bus is still stationary with doors open, everyone seems to speed up a bit.
Whatever the reason for the trial, it would be interesting to see if the length of time buses lingered at bus stops became more standardized over the trial period.
John McIntyre | Homepage | 28.01.18 - 3:58 p.m. | #
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To be fair though, is it a trial? Because if it is, then trying and failing is ok isn’t it?
Though I do think your commentary is apt, all the same. And funny!
Sally Hirst | 29.01.18 - 7:33 p.m. | #
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And note that they don't say what you should hold on to. It's open to misinterpretation by the ill-intentioned....
(This is of course assuming anyone takes a blind bit of notice).
Autolycus | Homepage | 30.01.18 - 2:48 p.m. | #
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