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Darryl spotted a Windrush line closure poster at New Cross Gate yesterday.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 27.09.24 - 7:38 a.m. | #
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There was an older version of that “computer journey” video published at the time of their first renaming announcement. I wonder what they’ve changed.
Dan | 27.09.24 - 7:39 a.m. | #
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I too spotted the new style weekend closures poster yesterday at the bottom of the stairs leading up to platforms 1 and 2 at Stratford yesterday afternoon. Strangely there was an old style one towards the Jubilee line end of the same corridor.
JP | 27.09.24 - 7:56 a.m. | #
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I’m sorry, but the new names still look very silly. Possibly even more so on this poster.
Kirk | 27.09.24 - 8:44 a.m. | #
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Out of all the colours the Windrush line jars most with me. It looks too similar to the Central line despite being a different shade of red. Seeing the Lioness line orange next to the Overground tangerine reminds me of the old East London line v Overground platform strips at Wapping and Rotherhithe.
The Paris metro map’s assortment of colours for metro, RER and tram seems to work better but perhaps London’s shades are more accessible.
Doubting Tom | 27.09.24 - 9:05 a.m. | #
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Still don't like the names but I can't wait for the Overground launch. It will make my life so much easier issuing directions, which is very much part of my daily life!
Shame about the Overground walks being rubbish though. I'm always on the lookout for walking projects.
Cornish Cockney | 27.09.24 - 9:39 a.m. | #
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It looks like the Overground is going the same way as Crossrail. I think it's more complicated with 6 new names replacing the generic overground which up until now has been marketed more than successfully.
I have read the walking map for the Liberty line which is dire. A walking tour of Romford shops is hardly worth it Upminster is on the District line so why bother with the Liberty Line. If you wanted to visit Langtons that's nearer Hornchurch Town Centre.
It mentions the Royal Liberty School nearest station Gidea Park and it was a Grammar School when set up in 1923 if that was the correct date.
If I wanted to go for a walk this would be a complete waste of time. Someone has been paid to concoct this. The whole exercise is underwhelming
daveb | 27.09.24 - 9:52 a.m. | #
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I'm increasingly baffled by why they can't go ahead with the renaming anyway. It was never going to be a "big bang" change of everything overnight (in particular I suspect announcements/displays on older Underground lines will only be changed gradually) so a few more anomalies wouldn't be the end of the world.
Andrew S | 27.09.24 - 10:43 a.m. | #
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The new/incorrect poster is still in situ below platforms 1&2 at Stratford station.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 27.09.24 - 10:48 a.m. | #
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It'll be December, minimum but probably 2025.
daveid76 | 27.09.24 - 11:09 a.m. | #
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This has all been delayed because of the TFL hacking.
Anon | 27.09.24 - 12:26 p.m. | #
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Regarding "why couldn't they go ahead anyway?", I suspect that the answer is some kind of safety concern. Yes, there are going to be anomalies anyway, but even a small additional risk of some sort of confusion in emergency messages would be unacceptable at a time when internal communication is under extra stress due to the cyber attack.
Malcolm of Kent | 27.09.24 - 12:54 p.m. | #
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Shoreditch High Street has the new Windrush line destination list stuck on the old sign at the top of the stairs on the southbound platform but oddly not the northbound. No doubt there will be loads of anomalies like this for a long time.
Sean | 27.09.24 - 1:47 p.m. | #
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How could it be less difficult?
kev | 27.09.24 - 3:01 p.m. | #
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Doubting Tom - in a Geoff Marshall video the designers working on the renaming mentioned that TfL is limited to a certain palette for accessibility reasons so your guess seems correct!
matthieu1221 | 27.09.24 - 3:13 p.m. | #
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See TfL's Tech Forum for the why and the how renaming is delayed (even if it may at first seem like it has nothing to do with the cyber side of things).
"We have decided to delay launching the new London Overground line names. Our plan had always been to switch over to the names, across all of our customer channels, in as short a time as possible to ensure consistency, minimise any customer confusion and help all of our frontline staff.
The recent TfL cyber incident had meant the technical team working on this project had to be diverted to other urgent work and have not been able to complete the final phase of the technical changes.
Once we can restart the technical development, we will let you know. We haven’t set a new go-live date yet."
matthieu1221 | 27.09.24 - 3:23 p.m. | #
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I'm not filled with confidence by the official TfL customer journey video including a mention of "White Chapel [sic]" station.
I wonder how many other errors need ironing out.
A Pendant | 27.09.24 - 5:03 p.m. | #
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Sitting here in a forest in Germany I feel mug I mus t take comfort in the sage advice of my tea mug that the Overground will still be thus named and not the mighty Windrush line when I use it next week: ˋ Keep calm and carry oń´.
keith the Kraut | 27.09.24 - 5:05 p.m. | #
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That should be either
"White Chapel" station [sic]
or
"White Chapel" [sic] station
not
"White Chapel [sic]" station
A Pedant | 27.09.24 - 7:52 p.m. | #
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Dan is right, the commuter journey video has been updated, and there are major changes. The line diagrams in Underground trains will now not be changed, before they would have shown the specific Overground line, now it uses the current orange Overground label. The announcements are also changed, the example used to be "change for London Overground Mildmay and Windrush lines", but is now "change here for London Overground services" (source). Altogether, it seems like they are limiting the impact of the change on Underground trains, but no changes to the Overground experience.
TfL have also added to their webpage a fascinating document showing their customer research, including various designs they tested. As well as the traditional double lines that were chosen, they tested having one side of the parallel line as orange and the other as the new colour, but they found it was unnecessary and confusing. You can also see some of the earlier proposed colours, including multiple shades of purple.
TW | 27.09.24 - 9:40 p.m. | #
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I was on a Chingford line train yesterday and was reminded of another aspect of the changeover when it eventually occurs. As well as on stations, all the line map posters on the trains will presumably have to be updated.
Patrick | 29.09.24 - 6:39 p.m. | #
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