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Hilarious.
I get the impression RM would like the bus stop named after their business because there's a competitor 30 seconds walk away around the corner.
James | 02.07.20 - 6:56 a.m. | #
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Perhaps he should consider changing the name of the pub to Bus Stop K (unless there are rules against that too).
Ian J | 02.07.20 - 7:05 a.m. | #
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Are there really no bus stops named after pubs?
dg writes: Answer in last paragraph.
I think RM has been too honest here. If they'd gone with the "multiple bus stops causes confusion" line and suggested renaming one of them to a nearby landmark like the Prince of Peckham they might have got away with it
Ian | 02.07.20 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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There are plenty of bus stops named after pubs, though I wonder how it compares to those named after former pubs.
martin | 02.07.20 - 7:17 a.m. | #
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Reminds me of trying to find the bus stop in Helston, Cornwall which was described as "opposite Woolworths" in the bus timetable, long after that shop has closed!
Jon Combe | 02.07.20 - 7:26 a.m. | #
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Herbert Chapman had better luck in 1932, getting Gillespie Road tube station renamed to Arsenal (Highbury Hill).
Gordon | 02.07.20 - 7:29 a.m. | #
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Possibly noticed that the 37 sets off from around the corner to Putney Heath / Green Man
NickW | 02.07.20 - 7:42 a.m. | #
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This also demonstrates the trend for electronic messages to start with the word 'Hi'. I have also noticed that interviewees on television start their replies with the word 'So'.
kev | 02.07.20 - 7:53 a.m. | #
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Wonder how many bus stops are named after closed pubs. Must be more than few across the country.
Probably my favourite bus stop name is on the Derbyshire/Greater Manchester border and is simply called 'County Boundary'.
There's two stops, which the bustimes.org website shows as 'adjacent to County Boundary' and 'opposite to County Boundary'!
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 02.07.20 - 8:19 a.m. | #
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The FoIs that always annoy me are the seemingly endless requests for train announcement audio files. Half the time TfL are not even legally allowed to give them away but people still continue to ask because they don't bother to check whether their particular query has been raised before.
Medford | 02.07.20 - 8:25 a.m. | #
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Where I live (not London) we have a bus stop named after a prominent local factory - that close over 20 years ago.
Peter Binnersley | 02.07.20 - 8:32 a.m. | #
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In Hertfordshire, bus stops are regularly named after pubs even if they’re not particularly close. Though my favourite local stop is simply named ‘Motorway Bridge’ .
Lew | 02.07.20 - 8:35 a.m. | #
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The Bus Stop at the bottom of Hornsey Rise was named the 'Favourite' until very recently despite the fact that the pub was demolished more than 30 years ago and hardly anyone remembers it.
Johnny Topaz | 02.07.20 - 8:35 a.m. | #
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Has London always named all its bus stops? Before the age of automated announcements, it was fairly uncommon to name anything other than major interchanges and terminii in most other cities.
I'm just curious as to when a lot of these stops will have got their names. As mentioned, there are quite a number of stops named for pubs (regardless of whether the pub is still there, or has changed its name in the meantime) but is that just a sign of the times in which they were named, and no-one would do it now?
Chz | 02.07.20 - 8:38 a.m. | #
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I don't see why they can't do this. "Clayton Road, Prince of Peckham" seems like a reasonable name for a bus stop. there's no indication that RM was offering to pay for this but if he was then even less reason to refuse.
MKIan | 02.07.20 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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The pub in question was the Clayton Arms up to 2013, then closed, then reopened as the Dead Dolls House in 2015, then changed back to the Clayton Arms in 2016, and has been The Prince of Peckham since 2017.
Which would seem to be a pretty good argument for not renaming bus stops after pubs.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 02.07.20 - 9:00 a.m. | #
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The bus stops in my area are "named" after the nearest side road to each stop rather than the main road along which the buses travel.
strawbrick | 02.07.20 - 9:00 a.m. | #
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None of this is helped by a search on the TfL Journey Planner only finding a Clayton Road in Romford despite this stop in Peckham clearly being called that.
I'm with Medford on the audio recordings. It really is an abuse of what FOI was intended for.
Andrew S | 02.07.20 - 9:08 a.m. | #
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strawbrick. the same thing around my area. often not too handy as the sidestreet names are sometimes missing or not visible from the bus's direction of travel.
the other eric | 02.07.20 - 9:46 a.m. | #
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Our local bus stops are named after a commercial laundry that was demolished several years ago and replaced by a large housing development that was given entirely differnt name!
John Simmons | 02.07.20 - 10:00 a.m. | #
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My area sticks rigidly to a formula of the road the stop's on followed by the nearest side road however small and unknown. This is OK in many places but it means they carefully ignore any nearby landmark that would be more helpful for bus users such as a school, park, church, or in some cases a pub, that is next to the stop.
Anders | 02.07.20 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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A number significant road junctions near me are well known by reference to nearby public houses ("the King [X] crossroads" or "the [Y] Arms junction" for example). There was a vogue a few years ago for the names of the pubs to change to something considered by the owners to be more modern (or just more branded), so the council put up road signs saying "King [X] crossroads" or "[Y] Arms junction" adjacent to a pub with a different name. In most cases, the name of the pub has since changed back to its traditional name. (In one case, the road is actually named after a pub that has since been demolished and replaced by flats.)
So I suggest one of the stops is named "Clayton Road, Clayton Arms", and then perhaps the pub will see sense and change its name back to its traditional name.
Andrew | 02.07.20 - 10:22 a.m. | #
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TFL sometimes name stops 'main road, side road' but it seems more usually just 'side road'. The later can be irritating if you are not familiar with the area.
JohnC | 02.07.20 - 10:43 a.m. | #
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Good initials "RM" for a bus related request!
Mikey C | 02.07.20 - 10:47 a.m. | #
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Oxford Street (John Lewis) is a prized mid route example which tests the non commercial rule ( by being enough of a landmark on a long street). Selfridges also has bus stops with their name in it (but famously was rebuffed in their attempts to have Bobd Street tube station renamed when the store opened).
Of course there was the recent Star Trek tube station temporary rebranding silliness.. with a large payment to TfL coffers.
MilesT | 02.07.20 - 11:03 a.m. | #
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Brilliant!
Cornish Cockney | 02.07.20 - 11:51 a.m. | #
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What always intrigues me about bus stop names is the way they used to be transmitted. "Everyone" somehow knew that my local bus stop was called "Grosvenor Road" (a side road), and the next one was "Albert Road" (an along road). These facts were just learnt alongside other bits of local geography. The names were not written down anywhere - except that every other stop was a fare stage whose name appeared in all the displayed fare tables (but not on the stop itself).
Malcolm | 02.07.20 - 12:18 p.m. | #
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I'm most surprised that no-one has suggested renaming Bus Stop M to something more entertaining! 🤔🚏
Kevin Too | 02.07.20 - 12:40 p.m. | #
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I suggest that the prize for the longest out of date name ought to go to Croydon Airport, used as the terminal point for years on route 115 and, later, 119. The timetable still shows Croydon Airport, Collonades, although I believe the destination blind now refers to Purley Way, Collonades.
Petras409 | 02.07.20 - 1:00 p.m. | #
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The street I grew up on had buses passing both ends. The nearest stops to my street on each route were both outside pubs, but the one on route 9 (the nearer one for us) was named after the pub, and the one on route 8 after our street. We had visitors who knew they wanted a No 9 couldn't recall the name of the pub so asked a No 9 driver for the street, and got redirected to the No 8, leaving them with a long wait, and then a long walk.
timbo | 02.07.20 - 2:24 p.m. | #
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Tesco and Sainsburys have been getting free advertising for years on the 168 and 42 since the southern terminus for the routes are 'Old Kent Road Tesco' and 'East Dulwich Sainsburys'. Maybe TFL should start charging.
Matt | 02.07.20 - 3:29 p.m. | #
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The 27 terminates at "Chalk Farm/ Morrisons" but the destination blind on the buses just says "Chalk Farm"
Mikey C | 02.07.20 - 3:39 p.m. | #
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And the 324 goes to Tesco Brent Cross, which is the stop after Brent Cross Shopping Centre
Mike Roberts | 02.07.20 - 5:11 p.m. | #
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The H28 famously runs from Osterley Tesco to Bulls Bridge Tesco (although of course technically this has bugger all to do with the renaming of bus stops).
The Tedious Bus Raconteur | 02.07.20 - 5:17 p.m. | #
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My local bus service in Hertfordshire has stops named for a school, a church and a hospital. But also has stops named after nearby pubs - The North Star and The Red Lion.
Frank F | 02.07.20 - 7:40 p.m. | #
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I remember a ride a few years ago on a National Express West Midlands route 1 bus from Wolverhampton to Dudley. A long stretch of this route is along Dudley Road and to judge from the on-bus announcements every stop is called "Dudley Road" followed by the name of a side road - or as the male voice intoned, "Doodley Rowd".
Ian | 02.07.20 - 10:43 p.m. | #
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Routes 262 and 325 used to terminate at "Sainsbury's Beckton" The tile looked odd, and on closer inspection somebody had covered the grey 'location name' tile with one written in Sainsburys typeface.
Full marks for initiative.
scrumpy | 02.07.20 - 11:53 p.m. | #
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So bus stop names already existed in most of the PTE led areas - I remember one in Manchester being called Oxford Street/Odeon long after the cinema closed. In London especially these tend to be one word names after a side street or landmark.
In the mid-2000s? there was a big effort to officially name all the bus stops in the UK led by Traveline (with involvement from the DfT) to help with computer access to timetables. The rules were that they should be named main road/side road - eg a bus along Oxford Street would stop at Oxford Street/Regent Street. But there was no need to change established stop names. Hence why in PTE areas, where they make their own rules, things are different to the rest of the country, and why there are some named after businesses but not an intention to add too many new ones!
Kirk | 04.07.20 - 8:05 a.m. | #
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If you’re very bored, google NaPTAN for more details about our stunningly complex national database of stopping points. Interestingly this now says that composite names shouldn’t be used for bus stop names, which wasn’t the guidance at one point (specifically when Cambridgeshire started adding them, cause I looked into it!)
Kirk | 04.07.20 - 8:11 a.m. | #
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