please empty your brain below
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Huzzah!
Dragon Smith | Homepage | 27.05.19 - 12:38 a.m. | #
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Lib Dem's mainly a choice out of desperation for many.... oh the state of politics
I think Jonathan Pie's week-old YouTube rant describes the issue well.
John Thomas | 27.05.19 - 6:43 a.m. | #
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It's interesting that so many people chose Liberal,including myself,even though no major paper - or other news source - was shamelessly plugging it. A glimmer of hope in a depressing world?
Alex McKenna | 27.05.19 - 6:57 a.m. | #
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Richmond
Lib Dem 60%, no other party above 20%
Newham
Labour 52%, no other party above 15%
Havering
Brexit Party 48%, no other party above 12%
diamond geezer | Homepage | 27.05.19 - 7:03 a.m. | #
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Where they won in London, Labour were substantially ahead in most of these areas, but look vulnerable in Croydon (1.1% ahead of the Liberals) and Greenwich (1.2%), after this is Harrow where the Labour lead jumps to 3.4%.
Liberals took Harringay (1.4% ahead of Labour), Islington (1.3%) and Lewisham (2.1%), in Sutton they were 2.8% ahead of the second place Brexit party.
Perhaps no more Zac in Richmond after the next general election - Liberals got 52.3% and this was the one place where the Green vote fell.
Still Anon | 27.05.19 - 8:01 a.m. | #
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Looking at the near-final tallies, I think Change UK can finally get themselves a proper motto: "ChUK - Slightly better than Tommy Robinson"
Chz | 27.05.19 - 9:06 a.m. | #
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Side track: It seems like there is some hickup in the google feed proxy. According to the RSS feed (or whichever feed I'm subscribing to, Atom perhaps?) you have changed your name from Diamond Geezer to "Unknown".
MiaM | 27.05.19 - 9:26 a.m. | #
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Oh the shame of living in a Brexit voting borough.
When will people wise up to Farage and his cronies message of hate.
Ken F | 27.05.19 - 9:35 a.m. | #
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The signs at all ports and airports should be amended to read: "Welcome to the dis-United Kingdom"
Frank F | 27.05.19 - 9:53 a.m. | #
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Alex McKenna - Lib-Dems had a huge advertising campaign if my facebook feed was anything to go by!
Should I be even more worried about Boris running for PM now his borough has turned the Brexit shade of blue?
For me the biggest shock is Barnet! I was born in the borough and can't remember it ever being anything but Tory Blue!
Cornish Cockney | 27.05.19 - 10:59 a.m. | #
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My suspicion about the particular form of 'proportional representation' (in 'constituencies' with a small number of seats) being rather less than proportional was confirmed. Outside London, I have (for family connection reasons) only looked at the East Midlands. There, the Brexit party, with 38% of the vote, took 3 of the 5 seats (that is, 60%). I make that one too many. The single tranferable vote is the only really proportional versión.
Martin | 27.05.19 - 11:04 a.m. | #
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Cornish Cockney, Barnet council has been "no overall control" for periods of the last 25 years so isn't a Conservative guaranteed borough by any means.
The Corbyn factor gave the Conservatives a healthy lead in the 2018 council elections, but being a remain constituency the Lib Dems were always likely to well as the most "centrist" remain party
Mikey C | 27.05.19 - 2:00 p.m. | #
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Mikey C - That's interesting! I was out of the country for 17 of the last 25 years so didn't know this. Thanks.
Cornish Cockney | 27.05.19 - 3:22 p.m. | #
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Looks like Corbyn's Labour policies have been an abject failure...and he was beaten in his home-ground Islington by the Lib Dems!
The party is going to have to think very carefully about its future. I think some of the MPs have started openly criticising the leadership for causing a third election flop. The Corbynites are busy on Twitter calling anyone who criticises the leadership as being Blairite or an infiltrator (although they've turned on each other too, blaming each other for "sabotaging the campaign"!) Labour better be careful that they don't crumble like the Tories are.
Tristan Lockheart | 27.05.19 - 5:27 p.m. | #
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There are some list systems that allow for transfers but they don't seem to have much use as their drawbacks make them unattractive to both list and STV fans and some politicians have created diabolically convoluted preferential proportional list systems by accident. And the less said about Group Voting Tickets the better.
However given the scattering of votes in the East Midlands it's quite conceivable that the Brexit Party could have still won three STV seats with its vote spread well across its candidates ("balancing") and transfers. The Lib Dems were just over an STV quota and Labour could probably get a seat on Green and Change UK transfers, whilst Brexit, Conservatives and Ukip between them had enough votes for three seats.
Of course with an unpredictable election like this it's not clear how many candidates each party would actually put up, or just how much the various hatreds between party members would be reflected in transfers.
Tim Roll-Pickering | Homepage | 28.05.19 - 1:20 a.m. | #
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Another sidetrack: The "Notify me of followup comments via email" feature also seems to be broken.
MiaM | 28.05.19 - 9:52 a.m. | #
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STV is not proportional - it's still winner takes all: just that "winner" has to have the approval of at least half the voters (on 2nd and subsequent preferences if necessary).
The d'Hondt system apportions seats in an approximately proportional way, but has to handle the fact that you can't have a fractional seat. The larger the number of seats, the more proportional it gets. Compare the North East, where Brexit got two of the three seats on less than 40% of the vote, with the South East where they got four of the ten seats on 36% of the vote). (In a hypothetical single-seat constituency it reduces to "First Past The Post".
What happened in the East Midlands is that no party other than those that won seats got more than 11% of the vote. (Conservative 10.7%, Green 10.6% - Brexit scored more than three times that). It would have been just as disproportionate for either of those to get one of the five seats available. (In fact 13% would have been enough to take the fifth seat).
timbo | 28.05.19 - 11:56 a.m. | #
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Another issue is the system that is used to distribute seats. Different systems often only vary by one seat, but that is enough if there is a small number of seats to make a noticeable difference. The system used in the UK, D'Hondt, gives an advantage to larger parties over smaller ones, whereas some other systems have the opposite effect.
ivzem | 29.05.19 - 7:58 a.m. | #
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