please empty your brain below
This is of course because Parliament is heavily Remain.
Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is down to personal political preference, i.e. is the country too Brexity or is Parliament too biased in favour remain.
Obviously as a hardcore Remainer I would personally say the country is far too supportive of Brexit, but it goes without saying that Brexit supporters would completely disagree with me.
Clearly, the conbination of both No Brexit and at the same time the call of an early general election would result in heavy Conservative losses (note, even as a hardcore Remainer and as a hardcore non Ukip and non Conservative, I am not suggesting that it would definitely result in large gains for Labour, Liberal Democrat, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru gains) --as said above, it could result, electorally and likely societally/culturally as well, in a heavily anti Remain style Ukip, much more Ukip than the party has been up to until this point.
There are roughly 3 million british citzens that have built their lives around the power of the EU/British Passport to enable free movement and equal treatment throughout Europe. This stipulation more or less sums up how much importance is attached to us in this whole process :(
Can the EU be reformed from within, of course not. The people there are having a great time at our expense, far too much to lose, so every step of the way the EU has made itself harder and harder to reform.
Anyway, with so many remainders as ardent socialists, what do they care about the single market anyway? They hate business, and want to tax it until it shuts down.
One wonders what level of incompetence, vindictiveness, bureaucracy, pettiness, power-grabbing, and criminal behaviour that the UK would have to attain before the ardent Brexiters pause and think, hang on, the UK might not be the benign organisation we thought it was. I guess it is a combination of unconditional worship (Britain = a secular religion to many people, do I say those people make me uneasy of the vote, no I don’t) and slow frog boiling. Of course, there is the virtue signalling as well: “Look at me, I’m a Brexiter, I’m much cleverer that the stupid millennial socialists who voted to remain”.
Can the UK be reformed from within, of course not. The people there are having a great time at our expense, far too much to lose, so every step of the way the UK has made itself harder and harder to reform.
Anyway, with so many Brexiters as ardent capitalists, what do they care about world trade anyway? They hate workers, and want to deregulate them until they have no rights.
Yeah, that works...
These were choices made by the democratically elected governments of the day, as an easier alternative to tackling the deep-seated structural problems in the UK which will continue to exist post-Brexit: poor productivity, decrepit infrastructure, over-centralisation and an education system that's so unfit for purpose that the UK will struggle to fill the jobs vacated by Europeans who, quite rightly, no longer feel welcome here and are returning home. You can't just magic a skilled workforce out of thin air...
They know what they want, but won't/can't hazard a guess at how this will end.
What I guess will happen is a no-deal-brexit due to the total incompetence of the leaderschip in both parties of the British two-party-landscape.
It will destroy our economy so much, that when we rejoin in 20 years not having the rebate won't be an issue, Romania will be subsidising us.
I voted Remain in the referendum, and am not a Conservative voter but if there was People's Vote, I think the result would be the same because little has changed in people's minds.
I think most people, on both sides, are more frustrated now about how the negotiations have been handled rather than how the original vote fell. If anything people have become more fixed in their views.
To have a People's Vote would be disastrous - if it went to Leave again they'd have a double mandate and would insist on it at whatever cost to us all. If it went to Remain there'd be half the country up in arms which would not be pretty.
The real criminals are the Tory Party who caved into UKip's demands in the hope of picking up some extra votes, and threw our country into this mess without any plan of how to go about it. You can't renegotiate 40 years in just 2!
They are to blame for this massive cock up and sadly, if it did go to a People's Vote, it'd be the same old mud-slinging, scare-mongering propaganda all over again.
We have learnt nothing from this, other than to never trust politicians and that most people vote on personalities, like on a TV show, not from independently and objectively looking at the issues - both of which we already knew!
My only hope is that some real political and national change can come from it - but that's as unlikely as the EU turning around and magnanimously giving us the proverbial cake!!
Corbyn wants a General Election at any price. He will probably get it, and maybe even win. The parties that will gain most (proportionate to their current size) will be the ones with fewest internal divisions on the Brexit issue - the LibDems and UKIP!
And the economy will be in such a bad state after a no-deal Brexit that Labour would have to cut public services and wouldn't last long.
dg writes: Alas my 'usual secret vote thingy', Sparklit, shut down last November.
Great psychology though, start off with a sweet little quiz and then get on to the real news of the day ;)
1. UK entitled to vote on it,
2. UK not entitled to vote on it,
3. British abroad so not entitled to vote,
4. rest of world.
I fear we will leave with no deal, which is the worst possible outcome. There will be much short term pain with no guarantee of long term gain. And Trump in encouraging Germany to rearm. What could possibly go wrong...
If we have to leave, I'll take this deal as the better of two bad options.
I am a firm Leave guy precisely because I read the French and German media and have had for decades.
I have noted in the current palaver (which is a rerun of the whole ERM one back in the 80's / 90's) that the more strident the Anti-Brexit people are the less informed they are about current domestic politics in other EU countries. The only real Little Englanders in the discussion.
I have found that the more informed a person is about the current domestic politics of the major EU countries, and how the EU works in the trenches, the more they think leaving the current mess is a very good idea.
Like me they all think the EEC was great, the EC was very good, but the EU from the onset was a total disaster.
Remember it was German unilateralism that collapsed the EC. That time Helmut Kohl. And if Merkel had not unilaterally set aside the Dublin Regulation we would not be having this discussion today.
So roll on Brexit I say. And lets see what replaces the EU. Because its dead. It might even be worth joining. If its like the old EC.
Another vote for biscuits, not Brexit
The EU is bent. battered, broken and a bosses' club; we can't fix it by running away after making 27 instant enemies who wouldn't give in to Cameron's ill-planned demands. We stay, we grovel a bit (unavoidable but blame those who wanted to leave not us who want to stay), we make new small alliances and slowly (because that's how the EU works) bring about change.
I'm stocking up on my medication, much of which comes from the EU or is owned by EU companies... Watch prescription charges rocket, along with everything else.
This may be positive or negative depending on your outlook.
dg writes: That's what this thread is for. I'm enjoying the lack of bicker elsewhere.
And you shouldn't have to vote to see the comments in the other two boxes, it skews the results.
Ditto, if you come back to read newer comments, you're skewing the results by voting more than once.
dg writes: That's not how it works.
Regardless of May having done this right or wrong, I do feel sorry for her, because clearly she was doing a job that nobody was willing and able to do, and in the end, everybody blamed her or even betrayed her.
Oh come on DG, I just Googled 'free surveys for blogs' and got 175M rsults. You're playing your readership here, and I don't think this role suits you, or what I know are your personal values.
I heavily identify as a cross-border being due to many friend and family links, also with an Australian passport to boot. It's as if leavers would like to steel that off me too.
Only tinpot countries play fast and loose with citizens' established rights and freedoms. Quite frankly, if we could sign up with governments in the same way that we are supposed to shop around for energy suppliers, I would happily go with Brussels for a bit and perhaps switch back to Westminster when there are signs of intelligent life again. PS I'm very patriotic too. Life is not black and white, even though referendums are.
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