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The Teacup will double the tph down here in Shepherd's Bush so from that (selfish) pov it's not all bad. However, the flat junction at Praed Street (where the H&C and Circle/District lines diverge between Edgware Road and Paddington stations) will come under inordinate pressure, as it's just not designed for the number of train moves per hour that it will be expected to handle.

Ageing infrastructure + new intensive service = fun and games for all

The circle line becomes the spiral line then?

Why would you have to use the stairs at Edgware Road for that change? You could just walk across the platform and get a Wimbledon train from P3, surely?

dg writes: Ah yes, so you could (supposing that was the next train out, which it might not be). I'll just tweak my text, thanks.

The Hammersmith & City's called the Hammersmith & City because that's what it's always been called - south of Westbourne Park it was built by a joint company called the Hammersmith & City Railway, owned by the Metropolitan and the GWR, who operated the services. Same reason the District's called the District and the Central's called the Central.

I have long contended that Circle Line trains don't actually exist.

Thanks for this. My inner nerd has been sated for the day. I feel informed and share these nuggets to blank, bewildered listeners in the pub later.

That's the end of the student Christmas parties then?

I've just read through the whole lot hoping someone would have asked about the dog's dinner that is getting to the Northern Line at Bank at the moment. Sadly, no.

Further to the post you made a couple of weeks ago, not only is the down escalator from Monument to the Northern Line now blocked off, but also the down escalator from the Bank ticket hall by Exit 6. During the evening peak the lifts are closed down (presumably because they can't handle the passenger flow) so the only way down to the platforms is down the stairs. All 128 of them.

I'd like to get hold of whoever thought it was a good idea to isolate the Northern Line from both ends at the same time and throttle him.

The problem with this for me, next to no direct trains between Baker Street and Notting Hill for example, is that this is bound to lead to delays at Edgware Road, with all the Circle Lines and the Wimbleware trains turning around there. That's at least 12 trains per hour with loads more going over Praed Street junction, guaranteed to lead to delays again. They've even talked about cutting back some Wimblewares to High Street kensington, which seems even worse to me.

One way to solve this would be to extend the Wimblewares along the top end of the Circle Line to - for example - the Farringdon - Moorgate route and the Moorgate terminating platforms that will be abandoned by Thameslink. That'd be a very useful service I think, but this in turn would probably create problems with the Baker Street - Farringdon section, which is still only two tracks and also has the Uxbridge Met trains running along it.

Did you see that prog bout the ghosts on the underground.It was brilliant.Do some research yourself on those who walk the lines.G

"And you can just imagine what a mess the tube map might look like around here in 12 months time."


No, you can not. The tube map is copyright, and no imagining or other derivative works is allowed without the express permission of TFL.

Well Max Roberts still seems to be allowed to use his imagination to clarify the tube map: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~m...nd/
tubemap.html
though others have received a TfL legal brickbat for fiddling with the coloured string.

The map's changed a lot over the decades even where services haven't: the Hammersmith & City line wasn't named as such and given a colour different to its former designation as part of the Met line till a couple of decades ago. Further back, the yellow Circle line wasn't on the map (and you'd have thought it was the start of everything).

Look at the proposal as the eventual merger of the H&C and Circle lines, since the H&C line will probably terminate at Aldgate not Barking in future, so there would be almost total overlap with the spiral Circle, so you don't need two colours or lines in due course on the map.

So future maps might be easier to read - very slightly. Now about those disabled-access roundels...

I don't understand why it isn't possible to run all H&C and Circle Line trains as one 'knot style' service Hammersmith - Paddington- complete Circle - Kings Cross - Barking..

Trains from Hammersmith show 'Circle Line' until completing the Circle at Edgware Road then changing to show Barking.. and vice versa..

IsarSteve: It wouldn't deliver more trains, just more reliability. You can't increase the number of trains if you go for a knot because the southern half of the Circle (shared with the District) can't take it.

They're changing the Circle line?! I'm yet to experience my first pub crawl!

The spiraling circle line is a clever idea, but like Andrewh I hope it doesn't happen until after I have a chance to do the pub crawl!

Regarding the question about step-free access to platforms, I think it's unfortunately just a fact of life in older transit systems (the same is true in New York) that many stations were built without lifts or escalators, and that retrofitting is expensive (which is the answer provided by Mr. Parry).

anyone ever seen ghosts on the underground?











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