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And why aren't backplates for putting 3-gang sockets into plasterboard (ie modern) walls easily available? As we found out when we wanted to install 9 x 3s into our new Studio extension last year.

The answer? New home builders are interested in saving every penny (10p saving on build cost = 10p more profit) , and providing 3s would cost more than it costs to provide 2s. Most people don't think about things like whether 2s or 3s are fitted when they are buying.

Yet again you have touched on one of those subjects that really irritates me. The most ridiculuous thing about this is the cost of putting in a power point at the time of construction is a fraction of the cost (and disruption) of doing it retrospectively. In the future we are going to need more not fewer.

It is a safety issue. Primarily these days it is because of unnecessary exposed flex which amongst other things can be easy to trip over rather than overloading the circuits.

In three places (kitchen, main computer area and workshop) we have abandoned individual sockets for flexible bus-rail trunking. It seems incredibly expensive but in the long run it is much, much cheaper. Need a new socket ? Just buy one, cut out a slot for it in the snapfit cover and push it in. And no issues with part L of the latest building regulations.

I cannot agree with BW's argument for triple sockets. I am sure that to comply with the latest regulations these have to be individually fused (one fuse for the three sockets). Indivual fuses are a nuisance. Its much easier to reset the circuit breaker in the main consumer unit rather than to have to mess around with fuses. However there is nothing to stop you having two double sockets together provided they are all in the ring main not on a spur.

The flat I live in at the moment must have been recently rewired because we are in socket-heaven. 8 in the living room and 8 in the bedroom. Only 6 in the kitchen though.

The flat we are moving into shortly has 4, yes 4, in the living room and bedrooms. How uncivilised! However, it does have a whopping 11 in the kitchen. Very odd.

Give it time. I'm sure soon enough we'll have a Government initiative to reduce the number of power sockets allowed in homes to "encourage" reduced usage and so reduced emissions.

when we had our house built we were asked how many sockets we'd like per room. there was a set number, but if we wanted more, it would cost us. we needed more and had them installed.

the most ridiculous situation is at work when as the partitioning was being put up, the director asked for two sockets only per office. most offices are supposed to be shared but at the moment we all have our own so that's no problem - especially not in my office as i was in charge of the partitioning going up and the caballing, etc, so sneaked in two more sockets on the other side of my office. otherwise the computer opposite me would have all it's wires running across the floor to my wall.

a danger hazard and plain stupidity on the director's behalf.

I couldn't agree more. No sockets in our bathroom (apart from shaver points) and a measly four in our kitchen drives me crackers. Hanover is the best place I've been to as far as electrical sockets and plugs goes. There were proper electrical sockets in the bathrooms, unlike in Britain, where there are only these shaver points. In Hanover the sockets had covers and cut-out safety devices installed. In the bedrooms within arm's reach of the bed, there were light switches with night-lites glowing to guide you in the dark and they could be switched off once you were in bed. the sockets were all along the middle of the wall, for easy access, not next to the skirting board, where it's difficult to reach if you are old, or pregnant. I just admired the number of sockets in every room..so convenient. Why can't we, as a nation, get our act together and borrow a good idea - even if it's from Germany - after all, we're Europeans too - not solely British.

Replace the freeview box with a USB free view receptor - you can ditch the video then as well as you record everything on the laptop.

But then you'd probably need an external disk to *hold* all that stuff you record, and then you're back to the same number of plugs. But at least your recordings would look better.

At least the over-specced mains rings in the UK *let* you do this. Try it in the US and you'll just blow breakers left and right.

At least I haven't (yet) been forced to plug a 4-way adapter into a 4-way adapter in order to satisfy my craving for power

Please don't do that, it's something of a fire risk. And I hope you're using proper extension leads, rather than those box things that plug directly into the socket.

Oh my God, our place is terrible for power sockets.
Behind the computer there are so many tangled wires it is pretty incomprehensible as to how this place hasn't burned down yet.

Currently plugged into the sockets behind the pc we have:

The PC
The monitor
The scanner/copier
The printer
The router
The wacom tablet
The shredder
A fan
A light
The poncey mouse
and the yamaha keyboard

Then behind the telly there are another SEVEN sockets in use, and all of this is before taking the laptop and mobile chargers into consideration!

One day we WILL die in an electrical fire.

I find I don't have this trouble, really.

I would consider a laptop a 'temporary' plug like that for mobile phone and PDA charging devices. Certainly it isn't necessary to have a landline telephone that also uses mains power - there are many which run quite acceptably just on the power from the phone line.

I have no TV, no Freeview box, no video recorder or DVD player - I'm just not that interested in video as a media format. The hi-fi has digital radio. It would be nice to get a surge-protected six-plug extension for that stuff.

The laptop is the only computer I really use; my ancient desktop up in the loft is no longer plugged in.

I have an idea! Get a TV that has freeview already installed! (I have one and it saves on useless remotes as well!) I don't know, maybe they have dvd/freeview/good'ol TV combis too...that saves 2 plugs

OK so thats down to 14...I'm out of ideas. I tried.

Well, maybe we shouldn't have that much stuff that needs plugging in - if builders put more sockets in, won't they just be encouraging people to use more and more electricity?

Shame on you, She, although I suspect you’re stirring, I’ll rise anyway! Most of the stuff that folk plug in don't use a lot of juice, but we need them all plugged in because the sockets are difficult to get to, and, well, it requires effort to plug and unplug all those things. Crikey: it takes ages just to work out which power plug belongs to the appliance you are trying to remove! Pull the wrong one and someone can loss their homework, or the video timer might be reset.
When we recently built an extension, a lot of planning went into sockets, data cabling and video cabling. Trying to cover all positions for data became a nightmare, and then I remembered wireless, shunned initial because of the “cost”. Well that cost was a fraction of what we were looking at for 1Gbps data cable, esp. as the interweb is usual available at “up to” 2Mbps. Of course, since building an extension, I have no need for a wireless router: I have no money for a new router, nor anymore computers. I make do, “perfectly adequately” now with the single 6 year old desktop I’ve always had.
And, of course, if I really want tele in other parts of the house (I thought I did, but I really don’t), I can get one of them FM transmitter things. And I’m confident that long before I’m ready to go HD, they will have sorted wireless HD transmitters.
I had a colleague who, as a student flatting with 2 others, lived in a small house with 2 sockets. I think they used the electric cooker for heating...

Luckily, all but the most down-market (and interestingly, upmarket) electric cookers in NZ provide power points. That doubles the number of sockets available in our kitchen..

Agreed. It's a nonsense.

I often wonder how people manage at Xmas, especially those "airport landing strip" style houses...

Washing machine? Tumble-dryer? Kettle? Iron? Microwave?

what of your kitchen appliances, DG?

Gordon - Brazilian houses?

time to hit you with the big green stick. you have both a hi-fi and a cd player plugged in at the same time, and two computers- bit confusing! maybe it is the case that you are 'mashing things up', like all those hip kids talk about. if you're not dodging terror attacks, you risk causing blackouts across E3!

to make myself a bit of a hypocrite, they do six way adaptors at your local tesco multiplex, though they're probably made by a crippled orphan alpaca.

Our house had one single socket in every room , including the kitchen.

You omitted to mention the most important appliance of all: the hair dryer and styler.

"I cannot agree with BW's argument for triple sockets. I am sure that to comply with the latest regulations these have to be individually fused (one fuse for the three sockets)."

Untrue PoP... they only have to be individually switched (as do 2-gangs these days).

One can buy backplates for installing 3-gangs into solid walls, and 3-gang fronts, just not the backplates for installing into plasterboard. Our electrician rang MK (one of the biggest manufacturers) and was told exactly what I said - they claim that there is no demand as buiders don't want to spend a penny more than is absolutely necessary.

Despite the new regs, one can still change indoor 1- or 2-gang sockets for 3-gangs oneself, and that's what Mr BW has done, all round The Coven. It has made a big difference, and is much safer than umpteen adaptors or plug boards.

Simple, DG: don't have a TV or computer. Lead the simple life.

Amazing. How many of those appliances absolutely have to be plugged in? Apart from saving you having to reset the clock. Still, it's your money you're wasting. Yes I'm an energy manager, but I'm not carping on about saving the planet. And people moan about how much their bills have gone up?!
Pah!!!!

boo - just because I have things plugged in doesn't mean I have them turned on.

My last three-month electricity bill totalled less than £25

Lets look at this practically. If you had 16+ sockets on your wall, not only would it look ridiculous, but they would bound to be in the wrong place and you would have extra long leads dragging all over the place.

The right solution is a double socket at each PLACE that is likely to want power. That is what should be provided by builders. Once the place is determined, except for high power heaters and things like that, then use as many multi-way extensions as necessary - even daisy-chaining them if required - to group your equipment so that each batch can be switched together. So all TV stuff on one, all computer stuff on another, all hi-fi on one.

Despite what some other commenters have said, there is no fire risk from lots of extensions so long as you don't overload them. Get fused multi-ways and don't plug in the three bar fire and you will have no problem.

The exception is the kitchen where more items have a high power rating and leads need to be kept much shorter for safety.

No one mentioned the fact that so many flats these days come with no ceiling light in the living room. Not only would this save me the trouble of two outlets for my two end-table lamps, but it would keep me from having to stumble about in a dim cavern quite so much.

Also, I was just reading recently about a company that has invented a way to transmit electricity through the air much like WiFi. At the moment, it can’t send an extremely powerful charge, but it does send enough to power a cell phone or Ipod charging, meaning you could put those items in a drawer together and turn this device on and not have to worry about a socket at all. They also say that the next generation of laptops, which supposedly will use less power, may be able to feed off this device, saving yet another outlet.

This is actually quite applicable to households. Limiting the number of sockets in the house will cut back the household’s electricity expenses. This will require household members to have lightings only on necessary areas.

Not easy to get good ideas on this subject.

It is very important to have check on the number of sockets in order to restrict the consumption of electricity.











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