please empty your brain below

The most wasteful thing you can do is have kids, so if you have not reproduced, that I would say more than cancels out buying Kenyan apples.

Those massive laser light beams at the 9/11 commemorations in New York probably used more electricity than I use in a year. And 'they' want me to switch everything off at the wall overnight? Bah, humbug.

Nobody needs a car in London, but if you try and take mine away, I'll fight you for it Confederate-style.

I don't have a re-cycling collection service, but my non-flat dwelling neighbours get one. I bet I still pay for it through my council tax.

Sigh - come on DG, I expected so much more.

Get a recycling bag for the doorstep collections.

Doorstep rubbish collection day (Friday for you, I think)

re: organic food ... I get a box delivered weekly. But goodness, how much water do I have to waste to wash the mud off the "fresh" vegetables? I'd put them in the dishwasher, but they lose their crunch.

I would love to berate you for this, DG, but I like your writing, so will give you the benefit of doubt. I think the key here is that recycling, eating organic, and generally doing good needs to be revised so that doing such shows benefits for you.

Turning off the electricity to your mobile charger will reduce your bill. Eating organic food is simply better for you. As is cycling. If London councils had foresight, they would introduce rubbish collection paid for by weight, which would encourage more recycling.

The overall message from official bodies should not be to encourage but to reward those that act more environmentally sound.

There's a TV ad at the moment for reccylcing. It features a comedy Scouser (or Brummie?) voice declaring that there are "endless possibilities" for recycling, such as your recycled newspaper arriving the next week as - get this! - another newspaper. WOW! It's not only fucking stupid, it's also erroneous.

Tower Hamlets do run a doorstep recycling collection but it's a pain getting the pink recycling bags to leave out for them - either ring them a lot or leave multiple requests on the web form (which is what I do) - two months after doing so they finally decided to send some over.

I agree with Adrian. I want to berate you DG but like reading you too much - it wouldn't be a very good way of saying thanks.

I confine myself to rhetorically wondering why you don't just leave your taps running all the time - isn't it a bit of a hassle having to turn it on to get water into the kettle?

The problem with all of this stuff is that no one does anything in this life if they don't have to. As Adrian says people need to be rewarded for their actions. Not just gently asked.

If you'd seen the entrance to my apartment block, you'd know why I laugh at the idea of a doorstep recycling collection.

If I left one of these mysterious "Tower Hamlets pink bags" on my doorstep it would probably
a) be used as a litter bin by passers-by for the disposal of cans of beer and uneaten hamburgers
b) get pissed on (or into) by undesirable local miscreants who currently relieve themselves on the step instead
c) be taken away, after the weekly collection, by one of my many neighbours mistakenly believing it was theirs
d) get stolen within a month by a passing bag-lady in need of some shiny new pink hand luggage

Aw. I've managed to learn to turn the tap off whilst cleaning my teeth, and its not that difficult!

When Voltan is lord and ruler those who do not carry out recycling and energy-saving duties shall be shot, and their bodies used as fuel.

Voltan is not going to go to the trouble of taking over the world only to have it be destroyed by the selfish, unthinking actions of the little people.

Isn't it ironic that we live on a planet with a core made primarily of molten magma and that the sun shines every day delivering enough power to fuel the history of all civilization... yet we still have to burn toxic fossil fuels?

Now scientists tell us that the methane from the melting tundra is 100 times as destructive in terms of global warming than the added carbon from fossil fuels.

I'd say just put on a sweater and turn the heat down and you've done your bit. I stopped worrying about recycling every last scrap of paper when I read that the average lawyer produces two tons of paper waste a year.

DG - What is this rubbish: “too impractical to turn off the tap when you brush your teeth”?!? Use a glass of water so you can rinse at any time.

I have reduced my flush, didn’t use any chemicals just filled a plastic bottle with water and put it in the cistern. I do recycle, use a black box, and it doesn’t take much effort but I do understand that it doesn’t work everywhere.

Eat organic: I’ve just been to a farmers’ market but I haven’t seen any “bearded ladies” and I didn’t have to haggle. The vegetables cost less and it’s fresh; and it’s a good way to support English farmers.
I’ve bought chicken which does cost more but I know where it comes from and it does taste better. I only buy organic meat, nothing to do with the environment, I just want to know where it comes from and that it lived a healthier life and it’s better for me. But because it costs more I eat less meat.
Maybe I’m a little bit fussy about my food, maybe because I grow up in a small town -I’m not English-, with a big garden where we grew our own vegetables and fruits and I learnt to appreciate “real-tasting” food.

I never had you down as a Nestlé collaborator, dg. It was a sad day when they took over Rowntree Mackintosh and my favourite four finger choc bar, but I had to give up KitKats, because giving money to Nestlé kills babies and causes poverty. Being part of that would make me feel far sicker than any amount of chocolate ever could. Join us?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nes...l\\%C3\\%
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http://www.babymilkaction.org/pa...es/
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http://www.wearsthebaby.com/arti...les/
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I find little more irritating than that ethical "is it OK to?" column in the Guardian G2. Today's one being "Is it OK to use olive oil?" I didnt even read it but what is the middle class up their own arse answer from Clapham going to be (although I doubt they read The Guardian in Nappy Valley, or do they?) Only if it's from Carlucci's.
Bah
DG I support your cause!

I went there too, and found it interesting, but frustration.

Because the day anyone in power really gives a fuck, will be the day before our selfishness kills us all.

How about eating less Geez? That way you'll reduce the overall food mileage *and* you'll be confident of a successful low-capacity flush every time you snap one off.

Good try at being provocative DG, but you're way down my list of people who could do more.

I think you should offer packets of bay leaves as prizes for a future competition.

And Chig - the KitKat debate was done to death at mine last Friday (see first line of this comment)...

Inspector Sands is right.
We'll never 'save the planet' while we're locked into the current crazy growth-driven economic system. Yes, it creates jobs but if the end result is to make the planet uninhabitable, well...

Politicians have no incentive to grasp this very unpleasant nettle, so it's up to people power. Just don't buy anything you don't desperately need - and that includes basics such as electricity and water.

Sorry about the rant but I'm one of those mad greenies.

I'll switch off now.

hello! well.. its been hard to teach people to save money, water, electricity, etc etc... people just think about this moment and dont want to care about the future, when theyre gonna be dead anyway.... especially here in brazil, where most of these things are not a problem (yet).... energy? we get it from giant rivers anyway.... water? rivers everywhere.... food? youre kidding right... gasoline? we use alcohol in our cars anyway.... but i still think that even so we have to worry a lot.... hugs everyone!

I'm glad I don't have any children.
The world is a finite resource and we seem to be squandering it as fast as we can with no thought for the future.
I would not want any kids of mine to have to face that.
I hope I don't live to see the fossil fuels run out. Maybe consumption will decrease slowly, let's hope it does not all stop in a big disaster.

I do my bit to save the world. recycling etc, but I feel like it is just pissing in the wind, since no one else appears to do much.
We're all doomed, doomed I tell you.

I think City Slicker has hit on a large part of the problem - that 'environmentalism' has been hijacking by braying Guardian types wondering whether what they are doing is ethical. This instantly alienates huge sections of society, the sections who have the potential to make effective change.

Our local authority recycle us to death. Four different wheelie bins are supposed to be parked outside our house! Four!!! I sent mine back because I don't have room. We do take bits and pieces over the tip for re-cycling, though (see my halo shine?)

The sad thing is the 'no children' one. In general I would wager that the people who care least about recycling and cutting down on waste are often those with children. Who are, in general, also consuming masses amount of chemically reared junk food.

I cannot believe what bollocks I have read on the above messages... I bet you all think you don't earn enough dosh... but if you saved a little of what you waste 1) you'll have money in your pocket the day before pay day, 2) the planet and future generations will be better off, and health wise so will YOU. Just spend a little bleedin' effort!











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