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"We're not getting a station or anything useful ..."
Yes you are. You will get a less crowded central line. I seem to recall someone recently describing the awful conditions that travellers on this line suffer. At least it should be less awful in the future. Maybe you will even get a seat and be able to read a book.
Pedantic of Purley | 03.03.06 - 8:28 a.m. | #
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Look on the bright side 2: Your local MP, a well-known character I understand, is with you all the way and campaigning against this disruption (whilst still wanting the benefits). Maybe the people of Bow could unite around him ?
Pedantic of Purley | 03.03.06 - 8:34 a.m. | #
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Pedantic - I don't think the Central Line goes very near Bow...
Thing is, if people want 'progress', in a developed area, there aren't too many choices.
Short term pain for long-term gain methinks.
Shame they don't want to knock down your local Tescos as well as McDonalds...
Blue Witch | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 8:38 a.m. | #
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BW. I know that the central line does not go that near Bow. Close, but not in Bow. But if DG from Bow uses it and Crossrail means it is less crowded he still gets some benefit.
Pedantic of Purley | 03.03.06 - 9:00 a.m. | #
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Wherever you build anything, it will be near somebody which is why all development causes this kind of NIMBY complaint. If the city wants the advantages of an improved rail system, (and people are always complaining about the existing system and saying how much it needs investment) then some unfortunate people will suffer inconvenience.
We had a large gas-power station foisted on us about 10 years ago. A mile away, it doesn't do much for our view. We protested at a plan to treble its size, and that was abandoned. I'm amazed at folk who object to wind farms - give me a cluster of wind turbines in my view instead of the smoky gas-powered station any day.
Phin | 03.03.06 - 10:30 a.m. | #
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The Central line goes under Bow, but it doesn't stop here. The tunnels pass underneath the River Lea at almost exactly the same point as Crossrail will, both heading for Stratford.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 11:24 a.m. | #
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They're closing the Tunnel approach road for a month?
Geez, I'm glad I no longer have to drive anywhere near there...
GoodTwin | 03.03.06 - 12:39 p.m. | #
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The bastards want to extend the platform of my local station, so that my garden will be completely overlooked by strangers, and also want to cut down the trees (in which colonies of bats live, might I add) and use my garden as a construction site. Other houses in the area will also be affected, not as badly as mine though, and the residents are up in arms. Oh, and it's also a conservation area, but do they care?
Far simpler and cheaper, and with less of a drop in house prices, to only open the doors of the first 3 carriages of the trains, but oh no.
/ rant.
Misty | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 2:01 p.m. | #
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Courage, Geezer and Misty, fight as hard as you can, they won't do anything to make things easy for you unless you do. I speak as someone who lived through the nightmare of Docklands development until finally evicted to make way for the Limehouse Link ventilation shaft. Unless you make your presence felt all these people worry about is getting their project through. Make it difficult for them and they'll put themselves out slightly to reduce the impact on you just a little.
Owen | 03.03.06 - 3:41 p.m. | #
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Misty - if the bats are breeding they shouldn't be able to disturb them. Get a bat expert. And get your local tree officer to put a Tree Preservation Order on the trees. That might slow them down a bit...
Disgruntled | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 6:58 p.m. | #
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I don't think only opening the doors of the first three cars of a ten-car train on a high-frequency metro railway is very practicable, and would likely lead to routine delays, which in turn would cause overcrowding and poorer congestion relief in the central area.
The only alternative to platform extension is really to not stop Crossrail trains at that station.
It's a pain that it causes so much disruption to houses, but any houses near a station are likely to see a significant upturn in value once the scheme opens, which will hopefully mitigate any decrease in value from the disadvantages of being right next to the station.
Dave A | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 8:03 p.m. | #
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Pedantic of Purley - Bow isn't on the central line, it's on the District, Hammersmith and City and (with a short walk b/w stations) the DLR.
And it won't mean a much less crowded Central line - Crossrail (as its name suggests) is supposed to be a quick way of getting a-cross London. If you want to go in-to London, you'll still have to get the Central line. Which is bastard busy, but luckily more reliable than the Northern Line.
chloe | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 8:03 p.m. | #
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With over-crowded trains and overcrowded rail tracks, lengthening trains is a quick way to get more people moving on the trains and in greater comfort. Longer trains need longer platforms.
Phin | 03.03.06 - 9:10 p.m. | #
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Or double-deckering the trains instead.
That wouldn't require crowds of passengers standing at the bottom of Misty's garden, but I suspect it would mean more people staring in through her windows from passing trains.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 9:13 p.m. | #
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I vote for double decker trains. I think they are way cool. We might have to raise a few bridges though ...
Disgruntled | Homepage | 03.03.06 - 10:30 p.m. | #
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Dave - Misty didn't actually state that her station platforms were being extended because of Crossrail. I suspect Misty lives close to the North London Line. However the principle is the same and I'm sure you know better than us HM Railway Inspectorate's dislike of long trains and short platforms.
Chloe - I do know that Bow isn't served by the central line. As stated above I never claimed it was. Despite being "Pedantic of Purley" I was born a true cockney in the East End and believe I know my East End geography pretty well. If Crossrail were to be built I cannot believe that a passenger from Stratford going to Bond Street, Oxford Circus or Tottenham Court Road would use the central line in preference to the colocated or nearby station exit on Crossrail. According to the supporting material (The need for Crossrail, chapter 4, page 74, table 4.3) the overcrowding on the central line between Chancery Lane and Stratford would go down by 19\\%. Don't ask me how they arrived at that figure!
And to anyone affected by the planning process I would say the system exists to give you an opportunity to raise reasonable objections. So if you think you have a good case present your arguments. The rebuilding of Camden Town tube station got rejected because of just such well-argued objections.
Pedantic of Purley | 04.03.06 - 6:33 a.m. | #
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Pedantic, I went through two public enquiries. The Limehouse Link one was stitched up to deprive the locals of an effective voice. The Poplar Link seemed rather fairer, but of course once the Limehouse Link had the green light the political logic behind chopping the road link into short sections for planning purposes had acheieved its aim and there wasn't going to be any stopping the process. I won't reply to any further discussion because I still get extremely upset and angry when I'm reminded about all that happened.
Owen | 04.03.06 - 10:38 a.m. | #
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Wow, we're all turning into NIMBYs now. Way to go.
Fair enough about the bats, who should be protected, though.
Another Andrew | 04.03.06 - 11:07 p.m. | #
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DG: If they double-deckered the trains, I'd still have the trees so they wouldn't be able to see me! Fantastic idea 
Pedantic: It is Crossrail. West London. Near Ealing. And they want my garden
Owen: Oh yes, I'm going to fight! Cheers
Misty | Homepage | 05.03.06 - 6:48 p.m. | #
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Misty, power to your elbow!
Owen | 05.03.06 - 10:52 p.m. | #
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Phew, glad I left the East End last year, it's all kicking off thanks to DG!!
It's a great pleasure to read that hell-hole off a McD's will have to be demolished. One down, 2000 to go.....
A Reader | 06.03.06 - 12:40 a.m. | #
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