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It's my experience that AOL email blocks practically every email sent to it, such as confirmations of purchases, etc. However, it's also my experience that aol users are educationally sub-normal cretins who probably can't read anyway.

I came to leave a comment only to find that Ian has said almost exactly what I was going to.

It's nothing to do with spam, and everything to do with a new revenue stream.

I don't like Yahoo and I don't like AOL. So from my completely disinterested perspective, I would observe that what you have described is advertising, pure and simple. They'll only succeed if they make their product worth having. Good luck to 'em. I don't think it will change the paradigm - the thing you pay for is bandwidth. With post, you pay for the transit. That's subtly different.

I! can't! stand! Yahoo!! and! their! obsession! with! the! fcuking! exclamation! mark! character! Arghhh!!!

I think this is really good for pissing off spammers: Spam Poison

Simple solution - if you use AOL or Yahoo change your ISP. You're not getting the best service, or the best Value service anyway.

If everyone boycotted AOL and Yahoo, then they'd have to rethink. Thing is, most people won't be bothered.

So we think twice before we send off a volley of text messages, because they cost.

You do, I do, but I don't think that's true of the majority of people. Teenagers I know regularly spend £20-£30 a week on text messaging.

I'm on a List Serve which frequently has complaints from aol-ers that the mail isn't coming through, and patiently someone explains that it just takes one aol-er to mark the List Serve address as Spam and this applies across the board to all aol-ers as aol mark the ListServe as Spam for everybody.

Meanwhile, everyone else says "Get a proper ISP"

I only use an yahoo email address as a spam avoider whilst online.

I check the inbox about once a month and do not have yahoo as my ISP.

Therefore I reckon (net of advert income) I'm probably costing them a little to host all that spam, rather than them making money from me.

I do miss the days when spammers were dumb and it was simple to figure out where they were and remotely annihilate their machines.

There's a particular Usenet newsgroup favoured by system administrators for letting off steam. A recruiter once went through, harvested email addresses, and spammed them with job opportunities in Florida - regardless of where the people might live. (I'd have thought the .fi and .za people were particularly amused) The company's internet presence promptly vanished for a few weeks, and its reappearance came with a very long, contrite apology letter. Definitely one of the War on Spam's better moments.

And yeah, Ian's latter point summed it up for me too.

I think the "pay a tiny charge for every e-mail" idea's been bubbling around for years. Even though one cent's only about half a penny, it still seems far more than the sums advocated at the time. Perhaps if George Bush and his Florida-governin' brother got their arses into gear... oh no, that'd disrupt legitimate business, wouldn't it?

Blue Witch - it's not that they won't be bothered, it's that they don't know any different. If you've never experienced anything else what's wrong with AOL?

Anyway. Email will always be free, it may become advert laden (more so) but I think it's too far gone now to receive a radical overhaul. Give it a few months and AOL will stop their silly games (and start some other ones). I hope.

Ian, I think you're being a little harsh on yourself there! (Presumably, you had to be an AOL customer yourself to discover that?!)

AOL is the nanny of the net and I hate them/it with a passion. It's for people who need to be told what to do. (For a technophobe and computer illiterate like ME to be saying that, they must be really bad.)

Who are these two companies to decide who is a legitimate company and who isn't? It stinks. Having said that, my spam filter is now collecting an average of 180 e-mails per day and I'm sick of skimming through them, which has to be done to fish out the legitimate ones which have been wrongly trapped. I really wish there was a way of stopping them.

I don't agree Gordon!

Mostly, people can't be bothered to change suppliers for services, even if they know they are causing them problems (eg AOL users not getting receipts for purchases etc).

Look how many people still pay over the odds by buying their energy from the original supplier in their area, or use BT for their phone service, or have mortgages on the variable rate rather than a deal, or have a bank account that pays no, or 0.1\\% interest on credit balances, or never shop around for insurance at renewal time.

No, a significant proportion of profit in the business world is made by human apathy.

There are whole business justifications made on the back of 'how much can we piss people off or reduce service before we overcome their apathy and they actually look for an alternative'. BW is right people justify in their minds on the basis of 'I can afford it' and 'I have better things to do with my time that save money'. Mind you they will fight like mad for another 2\\% pay rise but 'happily' lose money left right and centre because they cannot be bothered to spend a little time to save it.

God, No, Chig! I have actually managed to retain command of a few of my faculties

It was more a case of fielding emails from AOL customers about why they didn't get receipts, or updates, or whatever. And then fielding further emails from them about why we never replied. Of course, I tried emailing AOL about this, but that bounced too.

Given that most spam seems to come from entirely fictitious email addresses, I fail to see how this procedure could be effective anyway.

I don't think that Yahoo are much better either. They seem to be a company looking in vain for a purpose.

Back to the original point, where does the money go? I bet it's not to the recipient of the email, is it.

What I read seemed to indicate that the charges would be levied against the monster ISPs of the world - Comcast, Verizon, etc. on this side of the pond. I'm not sure how they'd go about charging individual senders - surely it would cost them more than they'd make per sender.

In any case, I only use Yahoo! when I need a junk address for something. And I use Gmail when I want to be sure that the Chinese government will be able to read whatever I'm sending in their direction..."do no evil" my eye...











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