please empty your brain below
How does that help any cyclist not wanting to go east-west through the junction? or indeed any wanting to get to or from Marshgate Lane - perish the thought someone might want to cycle to the iMcPoly Park.

Timbo | 19.01.12 - 9:55 a.m. | #

Have you got a better solution?


Brian | 19.01.12 - 11:03 a.m. | #

http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2011/11/making-bow-roundabout-safer-for.html - make the crossings Toucans and Robert's your mother's brother
(as indeed he was)

Timbo | 19.01.12 - 11:21 a.m. | #

So in their blind haste to solve the cyclists' problems TfL are still totally ignoring the pedestrians. How are they to cross this roundabout?!?!!? This options addresses none of their concerns.

Johann | 19.01.12 - 12:02 p.m. | #

Better solution?
Search images for Stevenage roundabout.

cybergreg | 19.01.12 - 12:54 p.m. | #

Leon Daniels touched on this topic briefly at the London Assembly Transport Committee meeting during a discussion on what is happening to the Hammersmith Flyover and why cyclists cannot use the spare lane if trucks are forbidden to use the bridge. See
http://www.london.gov.uk/who-runs-london/the-london-assembly/webcasts

Transport Committee webcast 17th January

Mwmbwls | Homepage | 19.01.12 - 10:13 p.m. | #

How much would it cost to build two separate bike flyovers? I assume a bike flyover is far cheaper than a flyover that has to cope with lorries, cars e.t.c..

If they are really serious about "cycle super highways" then this would probably be the best solution.


If they however go for this "option 2" then they could perhaps add sensors that triggers the traffic lights when a bike is aproaching a crossning, instead of having buttons the cyclist have to press?

Think about what the public opinion would say if it instead were the car drivers that had to push a button...

MiaM | 20.01.12 - 2:48 a.m. | #

So Option 1 is flawed because "Will cyclists behave... I bet many will ignore the additional red phase and advance to the front anyway". And Option 2 is flawed because there's "every possibility that cyclists won't opt to pause and push the button, but will instead continue to divert across the traffic to reach the flyover as 60% of them do now".

Which confirms everything that many of us observe and believe about cyclists' behaviour on the road and explains why so many of them end up dead or injured.

You can lead a horse to water....


David | 20.01.12 - 6:20 a.m. | #

The obvious solution seems simple to me. Just enforce the current rules of the road and make it better for ALL road users who obey the rules.
If option 2 happens, then the 60% will just not bother with the cycle lane. If that upsets anyone, they'd do well to read the seldom known, ill enforced and ill obeyed rules of the road and take note that cycle lanes etc are NOT compulsory for cyclists to use. Especially very poor ones like this not so super highway.
Does anyone remember when the Super Highway idea came out? They were going to be the "Cyclists Motorway" into London. Since when did a motorway become a narrow strip along an allready exisiting road, only wide enough for one vehicle and have traffic lights where you push a button for a green light in your favour? Yes, that's as super as it gets on a cycle specific facility. They should spend the money on a decent pedestrian crossing intead. Cycling is safe. Safer still if everyone sticks with the rules and cooperates with everyone else.

steve | 20.01.12 - 7:44 a.m. | #

Is that a car parked on the "proposed site", or is the not-so-superhighway really that crap?

Going only by that photo, it looks as if a potential solution would be to move the lane on the right over to the left, and paint the blue strip down the middle. That would allow access to both the flyover and the roundabout - assuming a sensible way of getting to the middle of the road at an earlier stage.

swirlythingy | Homepage | 20.01.12 - 4:19 p.m. | #

I have a worse solution: http://kolelinia.com/kolelinia

Richard DeDomenici | Homepage | 21.01.12 - 9:15 a.m. | #

I use the flyover most days and approach from either end at a decent speed so that I can breeze (with a bit of effort) up the flyover. The idea of stopping near the bottom to press a button is a pretty stupid one. As I won't be legally obliged to ride on the blue paint that is laughingly called the Cycle Super Highway in the first place I'll just carry on with what I'm doing now, which is to get across to the middle lane early on and stay there. The only people who would think of using the button will be those who already avoid the flyover and they will more than likely continue to risk death on the redesigned roundabout instead. So it will just be a waste of money. What they should do is make the approach roads and flyovers a 20 MPH speed limit with enforcing cameras to stop the dangerous speeding that goes on. The cameras will have to be painted bright yellow and have plenty of advance warning signs though, we wouldn't want any drivers fined for breaking the law ;-)

Barry K | 06.03.12 - 1:20 p.m. | #











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