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Pedant Mode On.
Watford Junction isn't in zone 9. Like some of the Essex towns, it's a destination where Oyster is accepted, but it's not in the zonal system.
Pedant Mode Off.
IslandDweller | 22.04.15 - 7:21 a.m. | #
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And now in less pedantic mode.
Thanks for another fascinating article. What I find surprising is that the visitor pages make no mention of using contactless bank cards. For UK visitors (who don't have to consider foreign transaction fees), using a contactless bank card is the simplest way of paying for travel - yet this visitor page makes not a mention of that option. A strange omission.
IslandDweller | 22.04.15 - 7:25 a.m. | #
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And another TfL error - they should know by now that the Bozza Buses also run on the 55.
Alfie | 22.04.15 - 7:32 a.m. | #
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The fee for the visitor Oyster is £3, but it will cost a further £3 - £5 to post.
You can now buy and refund Oysters at ticket machines - I've seen many tourists doing this in the past week.
JQ | 22.04.15 - 9:09 a.m. | #
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i read that Diamond Geezer blog .. and he rams the bloody cablecar in my face most weeks... :-)
Geofftech | Homepage | 22.04.15 - 9:16 a.m. | #
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You can buy the Visitor Oyster at Stansted airport, and probably other places as well. I got mine last November, and it's been very useful on subsequent visits to the UK.
Charles | 22.04.15 - 9:40 a.m. | #
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That small theatre map is quite handy.
rashbre | Homepage | 22.04.15 - 9:50 a.m. | #
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@IslandDweller
The point about Contactless is deliberate.
TfL are now very clear the Contactless card must be "UK issued".
The announcements at Euston LU say this, and the website says this too: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/contactless/is-contactless-for-me?intcmp=8282
Odd, as my girlfriend's Irish card worked and works fine, but I assume it's because US-issued cards won't work here.
Arctic Troll | 22.04.15 - 11:23 a.m. | #
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I remember visiting family in North London back in the day when Ken Livingstone, of GLC fame, had the £50 transport surcharge for Londoners. Boy were the Underground prices reasonable that time!
Bronchitikat | Homepage | 22.04.15 - 11:24 a.m. | #
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Also, it's worth remembering that the new VIC's *do* sell tickets. Yes! a branch of Argos that you can still go up to the counter and talk to a human to top up your Oyster card or do any other ticket-like transaction or query. Just try not to buy a gift while you are there. THINK OF IF AS A TICKET OFFICE!
Geofftech | Homepage | 22.04.15 - 11:48 a.m. | #
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Says £15 credit is enough for two days travel plus a single trip on the cable car. £6.40x2+£3.40=£16.20. Probably more as at least one journey will be in zone 3 unless you get a bus back from the north side of the river
Lumma | 22.04.15 - 11:53 a.m. | #
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@Arctic Troll - that's not how I read that page, it says UK cards will work and non-UK cards may work - pointing to a detailed page of what will.
Ben | 22.04.15 - 1:23 p.m. | #
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@Alfie
+ bus routes 8, 10, 12, 15, 137, 148 & 453! What "might" be happening is that mention of only those that are as "intended" with customer assistants (conductors) onboard and the "joy" of being able to use free will and hop-on/hop-off (when "safe" to so).
OnTheBus | 22.04.15 - 4:32 p.m. | #
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I once had to endure a work night out to Wimbledon Dog Track. It was the most boring and tedious thing I've ever been to. Watching paint dry would have been more mentally stimulating. I couldn't wait to leave. I wouldn't go if someone paid me never mind waived the entrance fee for waving an Oyster Card.
Strikes me TfL need to get the old editing tool out to update their literature and website for Visitors.
PC | 22.04.15 - 6:55 p.m. | #
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Genuine advice from the Hello London 18 page brochure:
Visiting London for two days?
Start with £15 credit on your card for unlimited off-peak travel in central London and a single journey on the Emirates Air Line.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 22.04.15 - 7:18 p.m. | #
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The "Hello London" guide is unhelpfully lacking in detail about National Rail services. I can imagine a visitor being confused about the various TOCs, and the reference to "all suburban trains" isn't overly clear.
Who'd have thought a Journey Planner was for planning a journey eh? What next, a Tube map that just shows where the Tube goes? (and hold on, wasn't the real Tube map called a journey planner at one time?)
AS | 22.04.15 - 7:50 p.m. | #
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@PC - to my mind, the track at Wimbledon is much better used for the stock car racing
http://www.spedeworth.co.uk/venue.php?name=Wimbledon
although there don't seem to any races scheduled there for the next few months. The New Year's day races are becoming a tradition for me.
Tunnel Bore | 22.04.15 - 8:46 p.m. | #
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@Alfie, onthebus
There are no conductors on the No10 either. All the extra weight of a rear platform to no useful purpose.
timbo | 22.04.15 - 10:17 p.m. | #
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Oyster vs Contactless: The dangleway and the heritage buses do not accept contactless. So for tourists an oyster card might be the better choice.
Visitor vs normal Oyster: As far as I remember visitor oyster cards can not be used for (weekly or longer) travelcards. Also the can not be registered to view usage online.
MK | 22.04.15 - 10:44 p.m. | #
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@ timbo
Doubt the "open-platform" adds that much extra weight? There is added length...which has proved a small problem. The weight issue is probably the battery and cooling system (which may or may not work this summer). I think London deserves a bespoke bus... maybe one day with free on-board Wi-Fi. If people don't try push the boundaries of design, quality and service then things don't progress.
OnTheBus | 23.04.15 - 12:15 a.m. | #
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Given Tower Hamlets (or its rulers) are in the press today, have I guessed the topic for tomorrow's blog?
100andthirty | 23.04.15 - 7:55 p.m. | #
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The open platform (and associated extra staircase) makes the bus longer and therefore heavier than a normal hybrid, but it has fewer seats. The extra dead weight is why it is allowed to carry fewer passengers than a normal hybrid - to keep the all up weight within allowed limits. ha
timbeau | 24.04.15 - 12:14 a.m. | #
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@ Timbo 2217 - isn't route 10 crew operated M-F peaks and daytimes but not at weekends? I've gone back and checked the press release and I don't believe there have been any crewing changes since the NB4L routes converted.
PC | 24.04.15 - 8:03 a.m. | #
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Great idea, but why can't you top them up online? Seems crackers!
Ian P | 26.04.15 - 6:16 p.m. | #
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