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We need several lines like Crossrail in London, not just one east to west. Lets hope with elections coming up the money will be found.
Where can you get a meal out for £5?
Most pizzas these days are over £7.
Richard
And DG, I dont particularly want to go to Romford ...
I live in a town that is in a permanent state of gridlock because of lorries crossing the pennines. A by-pass was supposed to be built 25 years ago - we're told it's still 10 years away because of lack of money.
£250 million would build us 3 by-passes, so we'd have a couple to spare.
Back on topic I think it would be real shame if Crossrail gets scuppered. Its not about just benefiting London. It is not even primarily about transport. It is about keeping London at the world number 1 spot in the financial world. It has recently even overtaken New York. That brings long term gain (so that the country can eventually afford by-passes for Pennine towns).
The problem is that it is very expensive and you have to put the money down for it upfront. However all the studies show that over a long period it will be both extremely profitable for businesses in London and swell the Chancellor's coffers.
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/
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Depends if you think thats a bad thing or not, eh? Thank God you're not a town planner. Not everyone wants ever more glass and steel 'landmark' structures, especially in a conservation area. Once the Victorian buildings are gone, they're gone forever.
Other equally good but less damaging alternatives were suggested but rejected, one being to re-route it through nearby Elephant & Castle which is already the subject of a major redevelopment.
But there is one way it could help, if only the Broon could be persuaded to be less blinkered than he was over the Tube repair contracts. Why can't London be allowed to issue bonds to borrow the money? Why does the Treasury have to run every damn thing?
(PS: you can route what you like through the Elephant and Castle - I work there and it needs a lot of bulldozering - but Thameslink has still got to get across the Thames somewhere, which means expanding the lines that cross Borough Market).
And no the trains can't go somewhere else - except by very expensive tunnelling and Crossrail has shown the cost implications of that.
Finally, given that the Shard of Glass has planning permission and preliminary demolition of buildings is due to take place shortly, how are we going to cater for the enormous increase in commuting at London Bridge station (it already can't cope now as it is) without what Thameslink will provide ?
Borough Market... It's a market under a railway bridge. They plan to widen said railway bridge. The market stays, the station gets improved and I get 24 trains an hour to south london; should someone building something interesting there that makes it worth visiting. Perhaps someone will open a nice farmers market that isn't underneath a railway bridge? Still, broadway market is better anyway.
Crossrail is a mess of a plan that started quite sensibly but has now been hacked around by various political interests. Despite that, it is the best chance for a new railway in central london and once the big expencive bits are built we can sort out the corner cutting afterwards (reading, ebbsfleet etc).
The day will come when you can't fund railways, schools, hospitals and everythign else by building a flat on top of it and we will be sadly regretting the fact that we didn't make more of the stupid house prices than we did.
My thought is that we could call it "the Diana, princess of wales, line" and invite people to donate money. Each station could be themed. Express reading grannies from aberdeen wouldn't be able to reach for there reading glasses fast enough.
Shit-hole!? WTF?! Them be fighting words!
The same argument applies to the much-mooted High Speed Rail Link between London and the North. The cost? Around £30bn. But the studies say that it will be very profitable (more so than normally expected for large-scale infrastrucute projects) so surely it's a no-brainer? Not when it's the government that's putting up the money it's not.
And bollocks to the Central Line - use a scooter.
Anyway, I'm not the only one who thought there were better alternatives to the current scheme:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/twa/ir...epo1034?
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South Quay
Canary Wharf
Poplar
Mile End
Roman Road
Victoria Park/South Hackney
Hackney Central
Hackney Downs
Stoke Newington
Green Lanes/Clissold Park
Finsbury Park
Tollington
Archway
Gospel Oak
Belsize Park
Finchley Road & Frognal
Kilburn
Brondesbury Park
Kensal Rise
Kensal Green
East Acton
Acton Central
Turnham Green
Castelnau
Fulham/Craven Cottage
Putney Bridge
Wandsworth
Clapham West
Clapham Common
Brixton
Loughborough Junction
Camberwell
Peckham
Queen's Road Peckham
New Cross Gate
New Cross
Deptford
Millwall (on the Isle Of Dogs, west of Mudchute)
And in Zone 3, trams all over the fucking place, linking everything up and massively reducing the need for cars. But yeah, Crossrail would be nice too I guess. Oh well, can't have it all
still, we can all dream.
g-r
Ho ho ho!
So I assume it's OK for us in the "shit-'ole" to spend our tax money on Crossrail, rather than remitting it to whatever God-forsaken place you live.
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