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I thought you might have noticed Alexandra Palace transmission tower which you should have got glimpses of from the right side windows of the bus.
Used for television transmissions in 1936 and one of the oldest transmitting towers in the world.
John | 18.06.14 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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Both the 112 and 232 are due frequency increases in the near future to cater for rising demand. For years these routes were relatively quiet, unreliable and unloved but now they're packed out a lot of the time. The next couple of legs of your trip will be interesting!
PC | 18.06.14 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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By popular request (well, one - see "Happy Harry"'s comment on Monday's blog)
Aggregate route number 344
Average route number 172
Proportion of double deckers 50%
Aggregate time 65 minutes (105 including walked section)
Aggregate distance 13 miles (15)
Both buses averaged 12 mph - average speed including walk 8.6mph
Average age of buses: about 8 years.
According to the bus map, after Arnos Grove the 232 briefly resumes the NCR before turnming off at Palmers Green towards Turnpike Lane (not Turnpike Road), but it shares this stretch of NCR with what I assume is your next bus: maybe Arnos Grove is a more salubrious place to wait than Palmers Green?
timbo | 18.06.14 - 11:18 a.m. | #
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i think i'm right in saying that the 112 and 232 used to be ONE route, and they split it (at Brent Cross) because the bad traffic meant that they were always getting behind schedule. and that they are still timed to this day to connect up with each other (within 10 minutes), rather than say just miss one and wait half an hour. I quite often get the 232+112 to get home in the evening, and if you get a single decker 112, it speeds along the North Circular the fastest i have ever known a bus go ...
Geofftech | Homepage | 18.06.14 - 11:40 a.m. | #
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The 112 and the 232 did used to be the same route, it was apparently split due to the roadworks caused by the upgrading of the North Circular. Though the 232 doesn't start at Brent Cross, it starts in St Raphaels Estate (behind the massive Ikea at Neasden); it just follows the back roads to Staples Corner rather than the North Circular.
Next stop the 34, I assume?
Arctic Troll | 18.06.14 - 12:00 p.m. | #
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1994 was when the (new) 232 took over the eastern part of the 112. There was a short-lived 212 in the 1970s which performed a similar function
timbo | 18.06.14 - 1:21 p.m. | #
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I'm not actually that interested in buses per se, but I love it that someone is and I love reading the arcane and esoteric information - more even, I suspect, then if the subject were intrinsically interesting to me. If that makes any sense at all.
(That's a comment on the comments by the way; DG is clearly writing about people and places rather than buses and more fool anyone who turned off on Monday and has missed all this)
Sarah | Homepage | 18.06.14 - 1:42 p.m. | #
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Returning to buses (if I may)...is it me or does that 232 have a air-con unit on it's roof?
E | 18.06.14 - 1:50 p.m. | #
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You're on the stretch of road where I've observed the most concentrated road rage ever. A huge proportion of drivers practically barging each other to get just that one car length ahead. Particularly the right turn coming up around Arnos Grove. Never again. I shudder to think of even doing it in a bus.
But I have been inspired by mention of the A5 & Watling Street to try bussing up from Marble Arch to Elstree. I don't suppose I'll see many electronic component shops up the Edgeware Road these days though.
martxw | 18.06.14 - 2:32 p.m. | #
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No, it's not that bad. If you do a lot of town driving, anywhere in the UK, there's plenty of places where the absurd competition to get one place ahead takes place. Yes, it is crazy, but in the overall scheme of things, nobody gets hurt, and no great harm is done. Keep calm and carry on!
Malcolm | 18.06.14 - 7:09 p.m. | #
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@Malcolm It does vary a lot from place to place. I do have to say that, despite the traffic being awful, I found the drivers on the Euston Road to be a delightful and cooperative bunch!
martxw | 18.06.14 - 8:24 p.m. | #
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@ Geofftech - yes it was formerly one route (112) and yes the reliability was diabolical. Part of that will be because various bits of the NCR were being widened etc (as already noted) plus some of the bus cos that ran the 112 were not, shall we say, the best.
I am not aware that the routes are timed to connect at Brent Cross as they run to different headways. Even after the upcoming improvements they'll still be different thus not helping matters. Just to show how things have changed the 112 has had a 96% increase in patronage in 13 years and the 232 100% over the same time period [1]. That's some increase and shows the boom on these orbital links (formerly poor relations in the bus network).
[1] source TfL usage stats.
@ E - yes the bus has an air con unit but only for the driver's cab, not the main saloon. Many single decks are so equipped.
PC | 18.06.14 - 9:48 p.m. | #
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After the war, the 112 ran from Palmers Green to Ealing Broadway. Some Summer Sunday journeys were extended to Hampton Court but, by the end of the fifties, these went only to Kew Green.
Tony | 18.06.14 - 9:57 p.m. | #
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@Tony
So it did: but unlike the 7/15/27A/265 it didn't follow Gunnersbury Avenue but ran via South Ealing, duplicating the 65
http://www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/112.html
Last ran in 1959
timbo | 23.06.14 - 2:49 p.m. | #
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