please empty your brain below
Oh look I live in one of the red areas! Does this make me special? (well fitter anyway seeing as I walk 1 1/2 miles to the station every day)

Peewit | Homepage | 15.07.15 - 7:29 a.m. | #

@Peewit

...and the 1.5 miles from the station too?

E | 15.07.15 - 8:57 a.m. | #

For planning purposes and modelling, TfL takes the attitude that practically no-one is prepared to walk more than a kilometre (five eighths of a mile) to get to a station. Time for yet another post?

Pedantic of Purley | 15.07.15 - 9:10 a.m. | #

Just a bit confusing on the maps. You have coloured red the areas more than a mile from a station, but Georich has coloured red areas within one mile of a station. Told you I was confused.

Never far from a station when running even at my pace!

Running Correspondent | 15.07.15 - 9:14 a.m. | #

Interesting.

In practice the Thamesmead and Petersham holes are even bigger as there is no way of walking from their riparian limits to, respectively, Twickenham or Gallions Reach stations. Likewise the extreme southern end of the Borough of Hornchurch (Erith) and the extreme eastern end of Bexley (Purfleet)

timbo | 15.07.15 - 10:35 a.m. | #

^timbo

"no way of walking" Think the Petersham residents probably less worried about that than the Thamesmead residents.

OnTheBus | 15.07.15 - 10:48 a.m. | #

Next step - make this programmable, to find areas that are over a mile away from a station directly servicing a known terminus in London. I'm a mile from Norwood Junction, as that goes fast to London Bridge - but I do live closer to other stations that are slow to London Bridge.

Sykobee | 15.07.15 - 10:50 a.m. | #

So that £700 pcm mattress-size flat that was this week's stupid London property story is actually in the worst-connected place in central London:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/london-rental-opportunity-of-the-week-a-mattress-with-walls-in-elephant-and-fucking-castle-404

Jesus.

Steve | 15.07.15 - 11:07 a.m. | #

@On the bus
Even residents of Petersham can't walk on water - and the only way in or out is the Petersham Road, which is so narrow that two of their 4x4s can only just pass each other. Ham also includes some cheaper housing.

timbo | 15.07.15 - 12:01 p.m. | #

There's a Camberwell station too, which still exists although it's now a car repair shop. Wouldn't be too difficult to reopen like Lea Bridge Road, frankly suprised there hasn't been more pressure for this to happen

Martin L | 15.07.15 - 12:39 p.m. | #

One has to feel sorry for the people who are not only over one mile from the nearest station, but whose nearest station is Angel Road...

Klepsie | Homepage | 15.07.15 - 2:43 p.m. | #

The old Camberwell station is quite close to Loughborough Junction, not particularly convenient for the Green, and is over a mile from the "dead spot" around Burgess Park! The old Walworth station would be a better bet. But the trains on that route are already some of the most crowded in London, and cannot be increased in either length or frequency because of constraints elsewhere - notably at Herne Hill and Wimbledon.

timbo | 15.07.15 - 2:50 p.m. | #

I've done a similar map to this, modifying it by removing rural areas from the map, which leaves Yeading/Hayes and Collier Row as the largest unserved area: http://oobrien.com/2015/02/geocomputation-a-practical-primer/

dg writes: Blimey that's good Ollie, thanks.

Ollie | Homepage | 15.07.15 - 5:53 p.m. | #

One fascinating thing about the Walworth Gap is that its boundary is made up from SIX curves.

That means it's just over a mile away from six different stations...
... Elephant & Castle
... Bermondsey
... South Bermondsey
... Peckham Rye
... Denmark Hill
... Kennington

diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.07.15 - 5:54 p.m. | #

The reality is that many more places will be - in practical terms - more than a mile away from a station, as this is drawn 'as the crow flies'.

There's a great demonstration of this in http://www.citymetric.com/transport/how-far-will-people-walk-public-transport-and-how-close-should-stops-be-1195

Even in cities with a perfect grid-like system (e.g. not London), at best only 64% of people within 1 mile as the crow flies are actually within 1 mile walking distance...

dg writes: Hi Mark. Agreed, and that's why I linked to that particular CityMetric post in bullet point three :)

Mark | 15.07.15 - 6:45 p.m. | #

Yes,CityMetric, very interesting, they also have this slightly related article (sorry if any one has mentioned it already, I couldn't see any reference to it).

http://www.citymetric.com/transport/paris-has-one-densest-metro-networks-world-so-weve-superimposed-it-london-1219

The article is clearly just talking about the Metro, but some dg readers may find it interesting/ fascinating.

Lorenzo | 15.07.15 - 7:50 p.m. | #

Golly, this has become the the third most popular post I've ever written.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.07.15 - 9:21 p.m. | #

DG says that Rainham is the only London station that's over a mile from any other station. In fact it’s over two miles from any other station. Consider any point on the edge of the white disc centred on Rainham Station. That point must be exactly a mile from Rainham Station. But because the point is also on the edge of a red area it must be over a mile from the next nearest station. This is true for all the points on the edge of the white disc. Hence Rainham Station is over two miles from the next nearest station. Probably lots of London stations are over a mile from any other station.

dg writes: Ah yes, my maths let me down there. I've fixed this in the post, thanks.

M | 15.07.15 - 9:26 p.m. | #

Even more interesting would be a tally of places more than a mile from a station with a service better than 2 an hour. Suddenly you'd have a huge chunk of Sutton/Merton in the red due to the utterly useless Thameslink loop service.

Chz | 16.07.15 - 7:46 a.m. | #

I've lived just outside the Walworth Gap at the junction of Wells Way and St Georges Way for eight years. Never in that time have I considered using my two closest stations (Kennington or Denmark Hill) to travel anywhere because it would involve me travelling in the opposite or perpendicular direction to the actual direction I want to travel.

It would be difficult to produce, but a more useful map would take into account the general direction that people want to travel(usually into and out of central London), comparing what is currently the fastest journey to get there, and how this is affected by the absence of stations in facilitating travel in this direction.

In my area, this would actually shift the most transport deprived area south from Walworth into North Peckham as this is an area where people still generally need travel towards Elephant and Castle for onward connections. North Peckham also suffers from a fairly poor bus service giving it some of the lowest Public Transport Accessibility Levels in central London.

None of this particularly bothers me, because I just cycle everywhere. However, this isn't an option for everyone and is the reason people in this area were so disappointed when the Cross River Tram was abandoned and why now we are frustrated by the likelihood that the Bakerloo Extension will head straight down the Old Kent Road missing this area out.

James | 16.07.15 - 2:38 p.m. | #

I'm flattered, but this post from Shortlist
http://www.shortlist.com/instant-improver/the-ten-worst-places-in-london-to-catch-a-train is brimming over with incorrect generalisations and inaccuracies.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.07.15 - 7:32 p.m. | #

The deer in Richmond Park are furious about their lack of transport options and are thinking of moving to Stratford.

Daveid76 | 17.07.15 - 12:10 p.m. | #

Timbo there's also a small bit of little Ilford as well I think.

Astockfan101 | 18.07.15 - 1:21 p.m. | #

im certain Seldon (Addington Rd is the high st) is not more than a mile from Gravel Hill or Addington interchange tram stops.

Stella | 23.01.16 - 12:16 p.m. | #











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