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Perhaps demonstrating how complicated this is, there is no line that goes from Gospel Oak to Walthamstow Central. Queens Road, on the other hand...
dg coughs: Ah yes, oops.
I've tweaked that bit, thanks.
martin | 20.05.15 - 7:13 a.m. | #
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DG, I see the front pages of the Sun and the Mirror are giving you a lot of publicity today.
Bernie | 20.05.15 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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I had the idea a while back (pre-SLL, as I though it was complex enough then!) that adopting Paris RER style letters could be beneficial. The whole thing retains the "Overground" identity, and each branch gets an easy identifier.
scrxisi | 20.05.15 - 8:21 a.m. | #
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Another issue with the new overground lines is that some trains skip certain stations (bethnal green, Cambridge Heath, London fields) so you have to be careful and check the departure boards. with the rest of the tube map you know that as long as you get on a train in the right direction you'll be able to get off at your chosen stop.
Obviously this doesn't apply to peak met line trains but these are made obvious on the train and are far from central London so are unlikely to affect tourists.
Lumma | 20.05.15 - 8:52 a.m. | #
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@Lumma
Delightful as their names suggest them to be, I'm not convinced that many tourists will be inconvenienced by the trains that skip Cambridge Heath and London Fields.
timbo | 20.05.15 - 9:30 a.m. | #
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cf "borked" what is the meaning you are using?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/borked
B | 20.05.15 - 9:41 a.m. | #
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@B - I think this definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bork
Mu | 20.05.15 - 10:26 a.m. | #
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It's interesting how they choose to give a line its own identity. For instance, Hammersmith & City and East London lines were part of Metropolitan before they got their own name and colour.
The Wimbleware line however is part of District while sharing just one station with the rest of the line. Similarly the branches of the Northern line meet each other at Camden Town.
Greg | 20.05.15 - 11:06 a.m. | #
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It has been decided from "on high" that when the Romford - Upminster service is off due to failure, this will NOT appear on the board as a "service suspension" as this would reflect to negatively on the Mayor and TFL's brand...
Kim | 20.05.15 - 12:15 p.m. | #
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I wonder how long this can go on for without having to name or number each line. If TfL gets the south-of-the-river network, then the naming issue multiplies in five years or so unless it gets its own brand (a nice green South London Metro roundel, anyone?).
Perhaps the simpler way would be to remove the Overground from the line list and create an Overground line list - but then that removes the PR benefit of being associated with the Tube. Tricky.
Darryl | Homepage | 20.05.15 - 12:21 p.m. | #
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Another option - keep them all orange and under the overground banner on the rainbow boards, but instead of LONDON OVERGROUND at the beginning of each one, which is just ludicrous, put CHINGFORD LINE, NORTH LONDON LINE etc.
Anyone who knows the name will be happy, anyone who doesn't know the name can look at the listed places on the map like they have to already, it all stays orange and under the Overground branding, and everyone is happy apart from those that don't like their maps being crap.
Kirk | 20.05.15 - 1:04 p.m. | #
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It matters little. Most TfL passengers don't even bother checking the closure list and turn up expecting it all to work perfectly. Idiots.
Nice to see the nice brand new Overground lines are getting their first engineering closure! I know they were transferred from GA, but still, it's a rite of passage...
Wait a second, did you say a closure between Gospel Oak and Highbury and Islington? This I must see...
the orange one | 20.05.15 - 1:27 p.m. | #
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> a nice green South London Metro roundel, anyone?
The Trams already have this I think
mdb0 | 20.05.15 - 2:25 p.m. | #
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@the orange one
"a closure between Gospel Oak and Highbury and Islington? This I must see... "
What's so unusual about that? - probably engineering work somewhere near Camden Road
@mdb0"a nice green South London Metro roundel, anyone?
The Trams already have this I think"
Have you hit on the solution of improving frequency on the South London Metro whilst still keeping the range of connections currently available?
Converting the entire network to tram would be an interesting challenge: Whether Victoria and London Bridge could cope with the resulting volume of trams is an interesting question!
timbo | 20.05.15 - 5:13 p.m. | #
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@timbo
I live pretty close to the line and I've never seen trains terminating at Highbury and Islington on the NLL. It's not the usual Gospel Oak to Stratford mess.
the orange one | 20.05.15 - 5:16 p.m. | #
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The disruptions map on the TfL status webpage has updated today to the new extra-Overground version.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status
But it doesn't appear to show the regular all-day Sunday closure on the Upminster to Romford line.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 20.05.15 - 6:14 p.m. | #
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It may be unusual, but I see no reason why trains couldn't be reversed at H&I. According to Carto metro there's a crossover between there and Canonbury.
timbo | 20.05.15 - 9:01 p.m. | #
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Wasn't there a period last year when the north London line was only running between Stratford and h&i due to a broken down freight train further down the line?
Lumma | 20.05.15 - 10:47 p.m. | #
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If only they were listed with a line identifier as well as a brand.
This is only going to get worse as more lines as subsumed into the network, and extensions are done. I guess R25 will get its own brand once done though ("Outer Circle"?)...
Sykobee | 21.05.15 - 11:31 a.m. | #
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