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Canada Water → Canary Wharf - if you pop it into Google maps, it does indeed suggest 39 minutes. It also notes that "this route includes a ferry", which perhaps defeats the point of walking. It's 56 minutes if you can't walk on water, and have to take the Rotherhithe Tunnel.

Google Maps also suggests that Aldgate East to Whitechapel is 2 minutes, so long as you want to go to St. George's German Lutheran Church, which it thinks is Whitechapel...
Has anyone compared the walking times on the map with the output of TfL's Journey Planner? I would assume that would the source of the data.
The new Overground station in Bermondsey may be branded as part of the New Bermondsey project, but that's not its name. It will be called Surrey Canal Road station.

dg writes: Phew. Fixed, thanks.
Surely there is a geographical map of the locations of Tube stations. Using the stations as nodes, it should be relatively easy to create a network of walking links to the nearest few stations for each one, ignoring the Underground lines entirely. Has someone done that? TfL must have the data for their journey planner.
point of order DG. Primrose Hill was never in our lifetime an intermediate station between Euston and South Hampstead. It was on the branch that headed off towards Camden Road. Granted on the disused stationsite it shows a station on the Euston line in 1930 but given that the overground line goesunder the mainlines here I can't see where the platforms could possibly have been. I note Wikipedia suggests the Euston line platform closed in 1915 but I can find no independent evidence of this
Canary Wharf-Heron Quays can't be 10 mins? That's only a couple of minutes shorter than Island Gardens-Cutty Sark, and the latter involves trudging the whole of Greenwich foot tunnel.
Herons Quay - Canary Wharf. The map shows a single dot for CW but in fact the DLR station and the Jubilee stations are entirely separate, a few minutes walk away from each other. It's easily less than five minutes between HQ DLR and CW Jubilee line.
Fascinating map, thanks for alerting us.
Presumably this is the walking time from station exit at ground level? (so it ignores the walking needed within the station?)

Also that the exits and entrances used are the ones that form the shortest distance between stations? (So the new Crossrail 1 stations with their big sub-surface distances between exits will make many 'walking times' a bit dubious?)
An example to illustrate my post above:
At present Bond Street to Oxford Circus = 7mins
After Crossrail 1 Bond St Hanover Square exit to Oxford Circus - 2 mins?
Independent evidence from 1903 of the WCML platforms at Primrose Hill (then called Chalk Farm) here.

Closure in 1915 was probably in connection with the extensive remodelling in the area as the "New Line" tunnels now used by the Overground were built and the route electrified. It is likely that the platforms on the Euston route were closed as part of that work as the tracks they were on would not be served by the new electric trains, and the new Tube station was providing a much more frequent service to Euston.
A helpful map for those who don't know their London. Sometimes it's certainly quicker to get off and walk as the underground connection between lines can be the longer option. But are these the average walking times quoted here? Have they been timed along empty roads and pavements in the dead of night? clear of slow moving tourists or people wandering along peering at their i-phones? Hmm,I wonder.
I suspect that the times also assume that you know where you are going, even as you stand there peering at your mobile phone, there is the time taken to orientate yourself, even then people start off heading in the wrong direction - especially it you are using one of those stations with multiple entrances/exits - Waterloo for example.

If you do know your Central London, most areas are within some sort of reasonable walking distance, but if you don't you'll just waste time getting lost.
As well as coming out of the right exit and setting off in the right direction, the time taken will depend a lot on the time of day and season of the year. Round where I work, St James's Park to Westminster and Westminster to Waterloo take twice as long at lunchtime in Summer than on an early morning in Winter because of tourists taking selfies, enormous walking tour groups and the like. That's probably why you think Embankment to Waterloo takes longer than the map says...
I personally walked between Mansion House station, cannon street station, before turning to the Monument itself (instead of the station). Their closeness intrigued me too.

The Cannon Street problem is clearly related to the fact that the District reached Mansion House but unable to tunnel through Cannon Street by then. Had the escalator link been established between Cannon Street - instead of Monument - and Bank, I quite believe that Monument would have been dead meat by now.
Correction: Had the District been able to tunnel under Cannon Street at the beginning, Monument would surely not exist, and Mansion House would either be stillborn or a bit to the west.

For modern practice of having larger station footprints, it's probably worth considering to have Blackfriars and Cannon Street stations expanded, then take out both Mansion House and Monument.
Not on the same line of course, but Cannon Street is also very close to the whole Bank labyrinth.
I has a confusion. The map considers the walking distance between consecutive stations, but not between different stations on different lines. What if you wanted to walk between Shepherd's Bush and SB Market? Or wasn't it intended for that?
Yes, stations with multiple exits will complicate things. They will also mean that the figures may not be additive, supposing you wish to get off /two/ stations early. (But if the line bends, the sum would also be wrong, but in the other direction).

But a fascinating map, nicely analysed in true DG style.

Not surprising that DLR stations are closer. The line was designed like that (D "Light" R).
A good reason for including step-free symbols on the map, is that people who cannot do steps might be forced to walk (or wheel) between a step-free station and their real destination.

And the map is not useless for those who cannot do "typical" walking speeds. Such people would probably know the multiplier (1.25, 2 or whatever) by which they must multiply typical times to get their own time.
It also introduced a whole new design concept on the map, the small white 'here' triangles that show what line the walking time number pertains to.

We've got lines, blobs, ticks, casing, solid and dotted... and now we've got... Trianges? Markers? Indentations?

For some reason, I really want to name this new design feature.
It's crucial where the timings are from, as someone else remarked.
It can be a huge difference between walking between the station pavement doors, and walking between the platform where you get off one train and the platform where you get on the other at the other station.
(I'm not a Londoner).
I had completely missed the things that Geofftech mentions. They are pretty subtle, but once you see them, pretty clever.

I would call them nicks (clipped out of the line with a ticket punch).
The close proximity of Cannon Street station to those either side is explained by a bit of history.

When the District Line extension was built in the 1880s an interchange station for the SER mainline station was an obvious thing to do, despite the short distance from the initial terminus at Mansion House - now a misnomer as both Cannon Street and Bank are closer to the Lord Mayor's residence.
When the line was built, the intervals between Cannon Street, Eastcheap, Mark Lane and Aldgate East were approximately equal. However, all three stations have moved. Eastcheap's entrance was moved further west and renamed Monument in 1933 when the escalator connection with the Northern Line at Bank was built - the Northern Line platforms run directly under Monument station, which is why the connection is there rather than with Cannon Street, despite it being the closest District Line station to the main entrance of Bank.
Aldgate East was relocated further east in 1938.
Mark Lane was replaced by Tower Hill, further east, in 1967.
The result of these moves is that Monument is now much closer to Cannon Street than it is to Tower Hill.
Cannon Street would probably have been closed long ago were it not for the connection with the main line station.

Why does every attempt to do this concentrate on walking times between stations on the same line ? The really useful information is walking between different lines eg. Aldgate to Aldgate East, Paddington to Lancaster Gate, Great Portland Street to Regents Park or Warren Street, Euston to Euston Square or even Hammersmith to Hammersmith, Paddington to Paddington or Edgware Road to Edgware Road.
Has anyone done the Tube Challenge (limited to zone 1) solely on foot in one go? If not does anyone have a rough idea of how long it would take? I think it would take about 36 hours
Embankment to Trafalgar Square (AKA Charing Cross) on the Bakerloo should be at least a minute longer than the Northern which goes to the real Charing Cross.
It looks like the Wapping-Rotherhithe walking time is based on the Rotherhithe tunnel (according to google maps timing) - Google suggests 52 for the alternative more pleasant route via tower bridge
My granddaughters input on seeing this map " No Kittens" :(
Embankment ---> Waterloo in 6 minutes relies on the eastern Hungerford footbridge not being too busy and the Waterloo underground "Shell" entrance being open - which after next weekend it won't be for several years:

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/8510

I think it's been closed on Sundays and after 10pm for years due to station staffing cuts anyway.
Clapham Junction - Imperial Wharf: the proposed NEP bridge is a good 2 miles downstream. You're thinking of the mooted Cremorne pedestrian bridge - nowhere near as sexy I'm afraid.

dg writes: Link fixed, thanks.
...and apparently the Cremorne bridge has actually started construction as the Diamond Jubilee Footbridge. Amazing how something so important can stay so quiet.
Of course the walking time between stations should be offset against the tube journey time including getting down to the platform and back up at the other end.
No, the diamond jubilee footbridge has not yet started. Barratt Homes has apparently promised to do some preliminary work on foundations, presumably as a requirement of getting permission for their blocks of flats. The rest of the bridge is just a plan, which has a design, with planning approval, but no funding.
See also:
City AM (10.15am, 10th November)
City Metric (1.38pm, 10th November)
Evening Standard (4.30pm, 10th November)
Daily Mail (5.33pm, 10th November)
The Independent (6.05pm, 10th November)
Huffington Post (6.54pm, 10th November)
@ Ed

Is it a just a footbridge or a cycle/footbridge?
You might also enjoy this map, which I made some years ago. It shows distance AND direction between all stations, on a standard (if out of date) map.

http://www.ksglp.org.uk/map/
@OnTheBus the plans appear to indicate a shared footway, so presumably considerate cycling allowed. Access would be by stairs or wheelchair accessible lift; no room for a ramp, I guess. In any case as Malcolm says it's still unfunded.
Bond Street to Oxford Circus = 7 minutes at 8am on an average weekday, or 20-30 minutes at 3pm on Christmas Eve :D
@Karen

Not so if you go via South Molton Lane, Brook Street, Hanover Square, Princes Street and Swallow Place!

@kev

You're absolutely right, that's a fatal flaw. But I guess if you put in all those additional times, you get something that actually looks like an accurate topological diagram of the outside world. There's a name for that; it's called a map.
The idea is even older that you think: the Underground's PR department was approached by Myron Edwards with his 'Tubewalking' idea as long ago as the very early 1990s as a solution to overcrowding on key bottlenecks.

I see he went on to develop it.

http://www.tubewalking.co.uk/maps_detail.html
I work on the edge of zone 1 and often walk from a nearby zone 2 station as it halves my travel costs and gives me some low-level exercise.

Shadwell to Tower Gateway is shown on the map as 18 mins. TFL's own site says the walk is 19 mins, while Google Maps suggests 16.
I did it last night in 14 mins without thinking I was rushing. I reckon if I had been in a hurry I could have probably got down to nearer 12.

Bermondsey to London Bridge looks too high at 28 mins. I think it's nearer 20 but will check next time I'm going that way.
@Steve

Bermondsey to London Bridge on the Jubilee needs a station in between. It would be Tower Bridge station, of course, a boon to city workers, tourists, visitors and workers in City Hall, and nearby residents.
TfL have now corrected their map to show 12 minutes between Aldgate East and Whitechapel.
Excellent news.

(always happy to provide a free proofing service)
Bermondsey to London Bridge this morning was 19 minutes.
Two provisos: 1) I was walking quite briskly. 2) There are several major roads to cross so if the traffic or lights are against you that could add on another couple of minutes.
So 22 mins might be a better figure. Still better than the 28 on the map.
@RayL
In the morning, it's interesting how many people get off at Bermondsey and walk towards Tower Bridge / City Hall. If you work midway between the two stations and are coming from the east it makes no sense to pay (often nearly twice as much) to go on to London Bridge.
Possibly a bit late on this, but Canada Water to Canary Wharf has been changed to the super long 144 minutes.
Well spotted! Sounds like they missed the '1' off the front of the previous walking time.










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