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This is one of those "we HAD to provide public access, but we really don't want anyone going up there really" things, isn't it?

No doubt when twenty five quid for the privelidge of standing in an office block proves unpopular the viewing decks will be quietly closed and turned into an exclusive Tower 42 style champagne bar or a penthouse apartment.
In a TV report yesterday it was stated that if a visit to the Shard was booked and then when you turned up you found no visibility you would be offered a ticket for another day/time.

I hope it does become popular and stay open, I still miss the old Post Office Tower and the Shell Center Tower, both of which you could many years ago, buy a ticket and go to the viewing gallery, I did it when they were open. Even Canary Wharf had a tower open for a short time.

It seems that in London we just have the London Eye for high level views, or an expensive restaurant on the 40th floor of Heron Tower. As for cost of admission in comparison Paris has the Tour Eiffel at 14 Euros and also Tour Montparnasse at 13 Euros, nice opening on their web site http://www.tourmontparnasse56.com

New York has the Empire State Building at $25 Dollars. So I hope to visit the Shard soon on a nice clear sunny day, guess I ought to start saving up now!
John - I'm very glad to hear that if there there's "no visibility" they'll offer tickets for another day. Apparently they expect this'll only happen about five days a year.

But I bet there's "very low visibility" more often than that. In which case I'd expect the the "No refunds" policy in the ticketing terms and conditions to kick in.
IIRC the Royal Observatory Greenwich was free not long ago...
Is it just me that just said out loud:

£30 for Madame f#%^*ing Tussauds!!!

I'm sure it used to be about a fiver, am I getting old or are they getting greedy?
The ticket prices for the Abbey and St Paul's surprised me - yes most cathedrals now charge sightseers, but that much? Canterbury is £9.50, York is £9.
Kew is £10 if you book online.

dg writes: Kew is £10 temporarily this autumn. You need to book your tickets online by November 30th and then visit within 30 days. Which sounds like a good deal.
Or you could cross London Bridge and pay £3 to climb the Monument.
Looking at that list Tower Bridge offers superb value - an interesting exhibition and great views of London for a third of the price of the Shard (and for an extra pound you can apparently climb the Monument as well http://www.themonument.info/visit/)
I can't believe you missed out the ArabFly Dangleway off the list - which we all know is an attraction, rather than a commuter route. £3.60, isn't it? Add it to the bottom of the list ...
A good, free view looking over west London may be had by going to the top floors of University College Hospital at the top of Tottenham Court Road.
even the Tokyo Sky Tree is cheaper at 20 quid for a reserved date and time ticket, or 15 quid for non reserved. Strangely the higher floor at 450m is cheaper only at only 7.80 GBP.
It's $17.50 to go up the John Hancock Center in Chicago, or you can go to a bar on the 95th floor, buy an expensive-but-not-ridiculously-so cocktail, and enjoy the view for free.
Rob
Exactly what I did!
I didn't realise entry prices to these places were so high. I thought £13.50 for the LT museum was a rip off, but at least I didn't have to pay.

How many people actually book online to get a discount? Do they have to go on a specific date / time? Online booking seems to be another con. How many people buy online and then don't use their ticket for whatever reason. Do people (especially visitors) plan their days out that much in advance?

Whilst I realise that some places cost a lot to run and they have to get their money from somewhere, they run the risk of pricing themselves out of business.

How many places are a family of four visitors going to be able to afford? Take three popular locations for two adults and two children:
Madame Tussauds costs £108 (family group)
London Zoo £72.70 and they expect you to give a 10% "dontation" on top of that (I assume gate prices are the same as the online prices)
Tower of London £55 (family group)

Just before the change to decimal money, Kew Gardens used to be somewhere between 3d and 6d (I can't remember exactly) which admittedly was more of a nominal charge. Now it is £16 including a "£1.50 voluntary" donation. At least children are free, though.

What is it with "voluntary donations?" it seems to me that it's just another excuse for trying to justify high prices. In the past, if you wanted to donate anywhere, you would do it on site via the supplied collecting tins.

It's a bit like restaurant bills already including a 15% tip!
The Heron Tower has been mentioned above but you don't need to dine at the 'expensive restaurant'. There is a rather nice bar on the 40th floor, indeed there seemed to be several bars up there. It took a ten minute wait to get in but once up there the views are as impressive as you'd expect and the drinks are no more expensive than in plenty of street level bars nearby. The very swift trip up in the outward-facing glass lift is, in at least two senses, spectacular.
I've just been having a look at a couple of sites - how long has Greenwich been charging for entry into the Meridean Courtyard? The two times I've been there (admittedly some years ago, it was free and you just walked around where you wanted.

Again looking at the prices on some of the sites:
Seaworld lists a Family Ticket, yet the cost of the ticket is exactly the same as buying individual tickets (why list it?)
London Dungeon's adult prices are:
On the door £24, online (timed entrance slot) £16, omine (no timed slot for that day) £28.52. Online are "priority entrance"

Most places seem to want to charge (a lot) extra just so you don't queue (although you may still have to queue to some extent anyway). This seems to be yet another way of getting extra money from people.
Kew is now very expensive but the annual season ticket is a real bargain, I went at least once a month while I had this ticket for about the cost of three day tickets. of course there is a lot more to see at Kew than at most attractions.
A large number of London Attractions, museums, restaurants etc offer two for one entry on production of train tickets. This can be done "at the door" and does not require pre-booking online. As a regular visitor to the Capital, I would say we always have a good idea about what we want to do and try to look out for special offers.
Just to say, as it was knocked down a bit above, the £13.50 for the London Transport Museum gives you unlimited visits for a year. Although when I went last week I actually got the concession rate when they were told I was there for my birthday treat.
Some places (e.g. Kew) now include a voluntary donation of around 10% on top of their base charge (but then hide away the base charge so that the price with donation is the most obviously displayed price) because they can now only claim Gift Aid on the entry cost if it includes a donation of at least 10%. The other way to allow Gift Aid to be claimed is to allow free re-entries for 12 months afterwards (e.g. the Transport Museum). See http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift_aid/rules/admissions.htm
'Just before the change to decimal money, Kew Gardens used to be somewhere between 3d and 6d'

Oh come on. 1971? That was 4 years before I was even born. Saying 'the world is a little bit different' is kind of an understatement.
I'm sure you wouldn't want to be being paid the same amount as you were in 1971.

The Monument is nice, I really liked it but don't go saying it's anything like the same view as you'd get in many other places, the view isn't that amazing, and not that high up either, just look at the office buildings next to it.
It's comparing very different things.


You say that places like Madam Tussauds are pricing themselves out of the market? Try looking outside in the mornings, or go inside on any day. They are packed. Tourists are lapping them up even at those prices.

As with many other places you do save money by booking in advance. If you don't look into where you are going you will be punished. Look at Alton Towers. £46 on the door or half that if you book a week in advance.
The whole "low visibility" thing is exactly what happened to me vis. the London Eye - booked a slot in June, and found I could see barely a thing.
Looks like there is a credit card slot on the Telescope. Probably another Fiver per minute...
St Paul's is another one where Gift Aid will make your ticket valid for a year.
Oh, and when I visited Tower 42 on Open House weekend last year, the chap showing us round pointed out that a glass of champagne in their bar costs less than a trip in the London Eye, and (if you drink it slowly enough), you'll get to spend more time there. And you'l have had a glass of champagne.
A few comments
I was using Kew Gardens as an example of the way prices have changed. In 1971, my wages were about £20 a week. At 6d admission, that was 1/800th of my wages. On the same basis, £16 today would equal me earning £12,800 a week! Based purely on a pro rata figure, 6p would be the equivalent of around 73p for somebody earning £580/week today. Kew isn’t perhaps a good example because as I mentioned, 6p was really a nominal fee and probably didn’t bear much relation to the actual upkeep costs.

I expect prices to rise with inflation, give or take, but it’s no good pricing people out. I’m sure that there are lots of rich people and rich visitors who can afford the tourist prices, but I’m sure that there are also a lot more who can’t who would go if the prices were cheaper, or tourists would visit more places.

I know that tickets can often be bought cheaper online, but that means having to plan what you’re doing in advance, even down to a specific time slot in some cases. That is OK when you can keep to a rigid schedule, nobody geys sick on the day and the weather is guaranteed to be good, but not so much use if the weather is poor – especially for outside activities or where you’re only visiting for the view – such as the O2, London Eye etc.



As somebody mentioned, you can get better deals where, if you pay a bit extra, you can get a ticket that will give you admission as many times as you want in a year. This is fine if you live in London and are likely to visit the attraction more than once or regularly and something I would probably use if it was of interest to me. However, upping the price and then trying to justify it by saying “the ticket’s valid for entry for a year” with no option of a cheaper one-off ticket, like the LT museum has done, is of no benefit for people who only want to go once. This would probably include virtually all of the tourists who come to London for a holiday.

“Two for one” and other discount tickets are fine if you already have the qualifying product (e.g. cheap day return ticket or whatever) or coupons, but again that is usually down to advance planning. If you’re just wandering around, either on your own or with others and decide “let’s go in there”

An interesting reading on the voluntary donations link. However I will not give my personal details when buying tickets at the door (you have no option online) as too many firms / charities either then bombard you with phone calls / junk mail or sell these details on (I’ve got caught too many times in the past). My understanding from a friend who bought a ticket at the LT Museum is that they are pressurising people into filling the forms in when they buy their ticket “so you can get free entry for a year” rather than just being issued with a ticket as happened in the past. No doubt other places are the same.

I like the Monument – visited it a few times in the past. I’m certain the first time I went that it didn’t have the anti-suicide netting (oe whatever) there. It could do with a lift though!
£25 is steep... Though that's the same price as entry to the Orbit this summer (£10 for entry into the Olympic park on top of the Orbit ticket).
On-the-day tickets for the Shard will be 29.95
@Roger, having been to the monument myself I can't see how they could fit a lift into the Monument unless they ripped all the stairs out or they used the same system that rescued the Chilean miners and sent it up the middle of the spiral staircase.
At the concierge desks of London hotels there are tickets available for all major attractions a few pounds cheaper than on the door, and the tickets usually let you jump the queue. At Madame Tussauds this means an hour or so.
I done comparisons to places abroad a few weeks ago on a forum I was on. Places like Empire State, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel Tower & the tall buuilding in Abu Dhabi.

Can't remember the prices now though!!










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