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The Hackney Downs-Central walkway certainly won't be open for at least a few weeks - there's still huge gaps in it and they haven't installed the lift.

Philip | 30.05.15 - 1:06 a.m. | #

I, for one, embrace our orange future! The more London Overground the better.

If it squeezes the map, they should make the make bigger. We are still miles ahead of Paris in the map legibility stakes (though admittedly that's not saying much).

Dan | 30.05.15 - 6:17 a.m. | #

I cannot understand TfL persisting with the small size of the printed Tube map when all their other printed materials are based on A4 sized leaflets, folded twice. A change would improve legibility even if the level of detail is arguably too high.

Gordon | 30.05.15 - 7:10 a.m. | #

At Regent's Park, they didn't have the new map out, but the man at the barriers said he had copies in the back room, would I like one?

At South Kensington and Euston Square, they had copies, so I grabbed loads.

They are sponsoring seven football teams on the back of the map. Which ones?

the orange one | 30.05.15 - 9:17 a.m. | #

Gordon: they've got an awful lot of leaflet racks with tube map-sized slots in them. I suspect changing them all would be an expensive exercise.

martin | 30.05.15 - 9:23 a.m. | #

Tube map? No .. Let's all call it by its proper name from now on for what it is - the TfL Map.

When night tube comes in September, I bet my balls that the size of the map will physically increase (but still fit I n the same slots on the rack) so it will become more legible - day services on one side, night tube and index on the reverse.

Geofftech | Homepage | 30.05.15 - 9:31 a.m. | #

South Tottenham is still geographically incorrectly located appearing north of Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale. This new map emphasises The vast difference between TfL rail services north of the River Thames with those in South London.

winsleigh | 30.05.15 - 9:54 a.m. | #

Number of stations on the map...
... south of the Thames: about 50
...north of the Thames: about 350

diamond geezer | Homepage | 30.05.15 - 10:06 a.m. | #

Talking of interchanges by pavement route, they show one between Forest Gate and Wanstead Park. That is approximately 300 yards away and you have to cross a busy road to boot. A little optimistic to show it as an interchange I think.

Agent Z | 30.05.15 - 10:31 a.m. | #

My report on Out Of Station interchanges, including Forest Gate → Wanstead Park, is here: http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2015/03/out-of-station-interchanges.html

diamond geezer | Homepage | 30.05.15 - 10:35 a.m. | #

Interchanges again - If you ever need to travel to Paddington mainline from either east or west on the Central line, don't bother changing on to another line to get to Paddington travel to Lancaster Gate and Paddington is approx 500 yards away around the corner. On the tube map they are shown as if they are miles apart!

Agent Z | 30.05.15 - 10:39 a.m. | #

Ok - ignoring where stations are BOTH tube and overground (say) - there are now ...

- 270 Tube Stations, but..

- 112 Overground Stations
- 45 DLR stations
- 14 TfL Rail stations

that's 171 stations that aren't Tube stations on the 'Tube' map.

Also. CALLING Max Roberts ?!?

Geoff Marshall | Homepage | 30.05.15 - 11:11 a.m. | #

You may have previously written about this, but this map http://tinyurl.com/o9qzkzb provides a clearer and more geographically correct renderig of the TFL network, though it doesn't include information about accessibility, and I suspect, would not work as a small printed leaflet.

Boneyboy | 30.05.15 - 11:43 a.m. | #

But surely everyone has smartphones and tablets these days. Isn't paper copy outdated? Specially when it's this kind of dog's breakfast.

Bronchitikat | Homepage | 30.05.15 - 12:12 p.m. | #

I think the biggest change is the Central Line is now no longer shown as a straight "red line" west of Chancery Lane station through the centre of London (aka The Capital), which always indicated to me the quickest, shortest journey through the centre of London from one side to the other.

dg writes: On the printed map this hasn't changed. Yet.

Happy Harry | 30.05.15 - 1:22 p.m. | #

I know the Romford - Upminster branch is part of Overground but I can't help but feel it would be better branded TfL Rail even after Crossrail. It can use Overground stock, just brand the stations and map TfL rail - likewise any other infrequent services TfL takes over in the future.

| 30.05.15 - 4:52 p.m. | #

On a jubilee line train and the map onboard has been updated. Can confirm the central line isn't straight.

Lumma | 30.05.15 - 5:27 p.m. | #

To be honest, you can't really call it the TfL map either, otherwise the Tramlink should also be shown.

Kevin | 30.05.15 - 7:43 p.m. | #

Got a copy of the new "London Rail & Tube" map last week, much more useful.

With a straight Central Line (at least to St Pauls)

Karl, Dover | 30.05.15 - 9:20 p.m. | #

I used the Chingford line today for the first time ever. I hope to God Overground do something to spruce up the trains and the scruffy stations.

AndrewWS | 30.05.15 - 10:51 p.m. | #

Fares are also cheaper on the parallel, Abellio route from Cheshunt to Tottenham Hale from today, but no one has made a fuss about that.

Wolf | 31.05.15 - 9:14 a.m. | #

I know this Crossrail tube map (http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/maps/tube-map) doesn't include the new Overground lines, but the Central Line doesn't bend twice like in the new map in order to accommodate Crossrail. So why the bends?

Bruce | 31.05.15 - 11:35 a.m. | #

One thing the western Central line bend does is make more vertical space for Hammersmith & City line stations out of Paddington, which were previously a bit squashed.

diamond geezer | 31.05.15 - 11:43 a.m. | #

Got copies at st Paul's on Friday.

Veronica | 31.05.15 - 5:35 p.m. | #

Basically, if you're a tourist you will want to pick up a map that emphasises the parts of London as a tourist you want to go to. There is an online "Z1/2" map IIRC, so is there an equivalent printed map?

Otherwise, if you don't want an online journey planner, you will want all the information you can get. The issue is that the orange lines are all over the place. Maybe they could fill in the orange with various other colours to signify different lines (orange/yellow, orange/green, orange/cyan, etc).

Sykobee | 01.06.15 - 10:30 a.m. | #

It's a difficult call, and I think the "Tube Map" is now really a halfway house, and that's not good. It's essentially administrative that Overground is included but that National Rail services aren't. To people visiting - and this map is aimed at people who don't know how to get from A to B, then it's now becoming more arbitrary. Oyster Cards work at National Rail stations within the zone system after all.

Up in my neck of the wood Enfield Town is now on the map, just a short distance from Oakwood (it's a three mile bus ride in reality). But in between the two is Enfield Chase, a Great Northern station. From Zone 1 that's usually the fastest route to Enfield, but a visitor won't see this. Getting the Victoria Line, it's much easier and quicker (cleaner too), to walk across the platform at Highbury & Islington on a weekday, than it is to clamber up escalators at Seven Sisters.

Similarly, the transport system seems even more disproportionately weighted north of the river, but we know that there is an extensive rail network south of the river that's missing.

Yes there's the even messier, but arguably more useful London Rail and Tube map, but that won't be the one that most tourists will see. When was a last time you saw stacks of those maps compared with the mountains of Tube Maps at most Underground stations?

Adam Bowie | Homepage | 01.06.15 - 10:33 a.m. | #

Orange Overground in NE sector is very welcome, but the resulting orange spaghetti with no differentiation of the individual Overground lines isn't. Given the Tube`s precedence of using passengers colloquial names, ie the `Bakerloo`, TfL should do the needful and label the Orange lines accordingly - East London Line (ELL), GOBLIN, North London Line (NLL), South London Line (SLL), Watford DC Line, Chingford Line etc. The alternative is mass confusion.

Long Branch Mike | Homepage | 01.06.15 - 2:27 p.m. | #

Tied in with the changes, Franklin uploaded version 3.3 of the CartoMetro map yesterday (Sun) The update includes the changes for the new LO and TfL lines

Rogmi | 01.06.15 - 10:50 p.m. | #

> "Number of stations on the map"

I'm not sure geology can be blamed on TfL, in fairness.

Simon | 10.07.15 - 3:32 p.m. | #











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