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point 7 Coaches and mini buses are exempt
General: All sloanes live in the area and therefore get the reduction on their tractor
The rich do not give a damn about these small amounts of money.
Motorbikes are free- so far!
Strandman | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 8:00 a.m. | #
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Just checking.... yep, my bike is still free.
Fair do's though (wery odd how "do's" demands an ungramatical apostrophe. Doos? doesn't work. Dos? Does?), you don't have a car, either.
Ham | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 8:14 a.m. | #
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Electric cars and LPG conversions also free I think.
Jag | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 8:34 a.m. | #
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But K and C residents don't have to pay £8 - they get a 90\\% discount now they are living in the CC zone, so for only 80p a day they can more easily afford to drive everywhere, including in the old CC zone. The irony seems to be lost on most people (except a taxi driver I spoke to last week, who said that K and C residents can now drive to Selfridges for only 80p!)
Dianne | 19.02.07 - 9:01 a.m. | #
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Ah, the problems of using a word which is not naturally a noun as a noun. You need a apostrophe in the plural as it ... well it just seems wrong otherwise.
Pedantic of Purley | 19.02.07 - 9:05 a.m. | #
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Dianne, you still have to pay for petrol and parking though. Selfridges has a car park but it isnt free.
Debster | 19.02.07 - 10:26 a.m. | #
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K&C residents will still have to park of course.
And the minimum residents' charge is £4, not 80p, as you have to buy a minimum of a week.
(I drive once a week so that is slightly annoying!)
Chris | 19.02.07 - 11:23 a.m. | #
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So basically, it's a change for the worse. Odd.
Another Andrew | 19.02.07 - 11:52 a.m. | #
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Drivers are the new Smokers.
Bit by bit they've been isolated and forced out of their universally assumed rights to smoke. Just as smokers were once free to smoke anywhere... so too drivers now will find their assumed manifest destiny of free reign over the roads of every land to be similarly hemmed in.
Here in the states there's scarcely a spot left except certain outdoor 'smoker zones' where they are free to light up... at least in the more civilized parts of the country.
John | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 4:10 p.m. | #
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Controls on driving are long overdue - it is a shame that this doesn't even begin to touch the problem.
Why people assume it as a god given right to pilot a potentially lethal weapon on the basis of a single test taken (or, maybe not taken) up to fifty years before is beyond me. Just because it is not intended for use as a weapon doesn't stand examination. Imagine the same slipshod system applied to aircraft.
There are alternatives to cars. Ken's recent free bus travel for kids is going to produce a wave of them who realise how to use them.
Ham | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 4:46 p.m. | #
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OK, I accept the bit about parking costs. In fact we (living just inside the new CC zone in Westminster) have decided that with resident parking charges, CC charges, tax on the car (it's a company one), insurance, petrol, etc...., that it's cheaper, on an annual basis (and quicker)to walk or even go by cab (luckily my husband's office is moving to Marble Arch in March). The keys to the car were handed in to HR this morning. I guess Ken wins after all!
Dianne | 19.02.07 - 4:52 p.m. | #
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Of course, you can visit absolutely everywhere on the above list without paying a Congestion Charge... if you cycle.
quin | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 5:31 p.m. | #
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Hmm i would like to see the congestion charging zone get much bigger - the whole of se london is an absolute nightmare - congestion is an understatement...
but how to do this without increasing the traffic into central london via all the people who would then live in the discounted area?
How about having 5 zones - center, ne, nw, se, sw. Everyone not from central zone has to pay £8 in. But it's the discounted rate in any of the outer zones if you live in one.
To fatties, poshies, and petrol lovers:
Get a bicycle
Walk
Take a taxi
Take a tube
Take a (gasp!) bus
S'easy once you know how!
vagrant | 19.02.07 - 5:32 p.m. | #
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PS- there's a slight inaccuracy in your final piece, '10 places to which we can still drive for nothing'. The centre of the city of Durham operates a £2 congestion charge (although it's, er, one long cobbled road ending in a cul-de-sac)
quin | Homepage | 19.02.07 - 5:33 p.m. | #
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Ok, how am I supposed to fit 5 large heavy tool boxes and a spares kit on a push bike every time I need to visit London. I live in Hertfordshire. Bike - out of the question. Horse and cart - out of the question. Bus - out of the question. What's the answer all you car haters?
H Aaltonen | 19.02.07 - 9:37 p.m. | #
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I can be pedantic too.
Dos does not need a hyphen.
The expression "dos and don'ts" is specifically given in the Guardian stylebook, page 54 for all of you who have it on your bookshelf.
Guardian Stylebook
David Marsh
ISBN13: 9781843549918
ISBN10: 1843549913
RRP: £9.99
pop artist | 19.02.07 - 10:07 p.m. | #
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Sorry, H Aaltonen: if you charge an extra pound an hour, you'll get by, surely? After all, doesn't parking cost you more each day? Have you not noticed less cars in the centre? I thought one of the benefits of the CC was to free up space & time for those who have to use a car in the city.
I'm with vagrant, but as for SE only after they've beef'ed up pub transport: buses ARE grim. How about a lower local charge in lower icome areas?
My background: ex-London (Sth Woodford) now back in native NZ. I was always a car owner (lover) but always used public transport into the (small c) city: it was part of the fun of attending something or going somewhere central, or even jusyt getting to work
PS: I used to take a 19 bus to work, from Green Park to Battersea Bridge. Can anyone tell me what model bus they use on 19 now? It was a routemaster in MY day (2001-2003) RIP.
flashgordonnz | 19.02.07 - 11:02 p.m. | #
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Actually, I have a deep and abiding love for the motor car (and most things mechanical). I can take them apart, put them together and I even used to drive them exceedin' fast on occasion. But, as a form of personal transport in the city, they suck.
If people stopped using them as a personal cocoon, then the roads would be free for use by public transport, tradesmen (H Aaltonen included) and by the public when they needed to.
Ham | Homepage | 20.02.07 - 6:57 a.m. | #
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Get a scooter. Dirt cheap to run, free to park. Fun to ride. If you're single, a Vespa can carry a week's shopping. Get a decent jacket and a leg apron and weather protection is almost total. You still have to be aware of morons yakking on their phone while driving, tho...
Adrian Zmed | 21.02.07 - 1:04 p.m. | #
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