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OK - I see your point about the train timetables - but for the route planner and spider maps? Well think of it this way DG - it gives the "clever" people an advantage over the rest right?

I mean (and trying real hard not to be egotistic here) but I would really hate it if all my little travel short-cuts, secrets and tips were known by *everybody*.

Enjoy Leeds!

I agree. Old Skool Timetables take some time to learn, but then they become incredibly powerful. Online ones are only useful for finding single departure and arrival times, not for planning journeys.

you can usually download pdfs of the paper timetable by going to the train operators web-site.

That german web-site is loads better than the network rail one - funny that!

I used to love reading the Railway Timetable when I was a kid.

I'll get me coat...

Oh man, spider maps and stop-specific timetables. Don't get me started. The wise and experienced transport authority known as TfL hath decreed that all Londoners are so stupid that they can read neither a map nor a timetable, so must be coddled with maps that allow you to plan no more than one journey, and timetables that are utterly useless. Every 10-12 minutes? That could mean 0 minutes stood waiting, or 12 minutes stood waiting - which? This also means that said thick people can't sue if their bus fails to arrive.

This might help a bit, as it's a streamlined version of the National Rail Enquiries site - though as the chap above has mentioned the german-based train-timetable is far better than anything we have here.

http://www.dracos.co.uk/railway/...lway/timetable/


Ahh, Leeds was nice. And they have proper timetables for every single bus and train route, which was even nicer.

I had a look at the bus spider maps and not all the buses are included, so you dont know that certain bus routes exist - you have to click on adjacent areas to find out. Say you want to travel from A to B via C. There is a bus that goes from D to E via C. If you click on the map for A or B the route C wont be included, even thought the bus might stop at the same stops as the buses from A to B. Stupid.

Stop specific timetables...Do my head in. As well as the then about every 10 minutes drivel, they also give bizarre frequencies i.e on route 201, a bus comes every 13-14 minutes. NOT! Good for central London, but insult to anyone else who wants to plan their journey. Aaargh.

I absolutely hate the old school timetables!
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